to recall, qaddafi was himself an actor who across sub-saharan africa and beyond was forever pickingilitia, nonstate actors fermenting trouble. it was the libyan people who rose up, as we see in syria or yemen, once the spark has been lit, the idea that libya in 2011, one was going to stuff the revolution back any box if one had supported qaddafi or been acquiescent in the face of the slaughter he is intended to carry out is wishful thinking. charlie: there is no way we could have allowed him to go into benghazi. ambassador power: at the time, what you are looking at is what appears to be a near certain massacre. it is rare that a leader says here is what we are going to do. it was a defensible territory. you had the support of the entire international community. the un security council supported the military intervention. that is very different than what we have seen in syria, whether our divisions within the security council. with all of that, the president is making a judgment about to the benefits of acting out weigh the costs? the costs seems significant what would it mean to ha

qaddafi was able to deal with al qaeda inside his borders. the new arabian government is not capable. they wanted to. we had many conversations with them. they did not have the capability. when you don't have -- let me come back to that stop second, the arab spring also left some countries unwilling to deal with al qaeda inside their borders. the best example, egypt with president morsi. the guys i worked with still had the capability to deal with al qaeda but they no longer believe they had the patel -- political top cover to do their job. and as a result, the pressure was taken off of al qaeda in egypt, and guess what? al qaeda came back to egypt for the first time in 25 years. and they are still there. and so in both of these, right your inability to deal with extremism inside your borders or your unwillingness to deal with extremism inside your borders gives terrorist groups safe haven and they thrive in safe haven. and when you have safe haven it is really difficult to get at them. one of the things you absolutely need to be able to deal

to recall that qaddafi was himself an actor and beyond was forever picking militia, picking nonstate actors, fomenting troubles recall that it was the libyan people who rose up. the slaughter that he said he intended to carry out i think is wishful thinking.the idea that back in 2011 they were going to stuff the revolution back in the box if one had supported cad two act bestence in the face of the slaughter where he said he intended to carry out i think is wishful thinking. >> rose: there's no way we could have allowed him to go into benghazi. >> i think at the time what you're looking at is what appears to be and there's certain massacre, it's pretty rare the leader says here's what i'm going to do. and it was a defensible territory, you had the support of the entire national community and people forget, u.n. security council supported the military intervention, to use all necessary measures to protect civilians. that's a very different situation we've seen in syria with the divisions of the security council. the president is making a judgment about do the benefits of acting outwei

we are more at risk now that qaddafi is gone. hillary clinton came before my committee. we talked about the fact that for nine months eating up to the ambassador's death she refused to provide adequate security. security was sent home. in august, cables are sent. ambassador stevens is pleading for help. i asked her in the committee. did you read the cable? she said no. she acted as if she had more important things to do. time after time, not just that day, for nine months, she did not answer the call. the one thing you have to do as commander in chief is defend america and her interests. i think hillary clinton, by her failure to defend benghazi, the ambassador, short forever preclude her from holding higher office. [applause] sen. paul: if we want to win, we have to be a bigger, bolder party. we need to defend the entire bill of rights. [applause] sen. paul: that means we need to reach out to people who have not been republicans. it is not just about the second amendment. not just the fourth amendment. the fifth and sixth are about justice, having your day in court. we

qaddafi was a secular dictator. he suppressed radical islam. he was no great jeffersonian diplomat, but he kept peace and order. when he was toppled, it is worse for us now. same thing in syria. aside is a horrible dictator -- asaad is a horrible dictator. if we would have dislodged him isis would be in damascus. i am somebody who was not eager for intervention. i will intervene when an american interest is at stake. we need to have a strong military to deter that, but we should use it wisely and reluctantly. josh: thank you very much for the question. this one is coming from keenan. keenan: i addressed this a little bit earlier. could you please address your priorities and philosophy when you are confronted with an issue regarding the balance between individual privacy and government provided security, such as law enforcement or national defense? senator paul: benjamin franklin said those who give up their liberty for security will have neither. i believe that. i do not think it is a trade-off. i think we can capture deter and protect our nati

qaddafi was a secular dictator and suppressed radical islam. he was no jeffersonian diplomat, but he kept peace and order. when he was toppled, it is worse for us now. the same thing in syria. assad was a horrible dictator. but when president obama wanted to bomb, i oppose that also. if we had dislodged assad, isis would be in damascus. i will intervene when an american interest is at stake. i think we need to have a strong military to deter attacks. but we should use it wisely and reluctantly. that is what reagan meant in easter strength. -- peace through strength. josh: let's go to keenan. >> senator paul, you address this earlier but these address -- please address your philosophy when confronted with an issue regarding the balance between individual privacy and government provided security. such as law enforcement. any of those other contacts as well. sen. paul: benjamin franklin said that those who give up their liberty for security will have neither. i believe that. i do not think it is a trade-off. i think we can capture, deter, and prot

muammar qaddafi's hometown. an estimated 85,000 people have fled the iraqi city of ramadi since isil captured it last week. the united nations said that many of them are still struggling to find safety. it has led to hard questions about who is responsible for the losses. we have this report. >> reporter: for ramadi the scene was frighteningly reminiscent. the black flags raised by isil last week. an eerie echo raised by insurgent as decade ago. >> isis is on the march and it's march is inevitable. it's a sunni majority city in a sunni majority province. it's significant because it's one step closer to baghdad. >> for the capital of anbar province this type of threat is nothing new. between 2003 and 2007 the strategic city became a base of foreign fighters who wanted to exploit angry of the shia government. until the u.s. turned their weapons on insurgents and largely drove them out. this year it was iraqi security forces being driven out. with the fall of ramadi isil controls a vital and seemingly open supply r

barbara: dave, did you know that you wear the same cologne as my qaddafi? david: i do know that.ber eight, steve martin. ♪ steve: your extensive plastic surgery was a necessity. and a mistake. [laughter] david: number seven, jerry seinfeld. jerry: dave, i have no idea what i will do when you go off the air. i just thought of something. i will be fine. david: thank you, jerry. i think jerry may have a benefit later. [laughter] number six, jim carrey. jim: honestly, dave, i've always found you to be a bit of an over-actor. david: number five, chris rock. chris: i am just glad your show is being given to another white guy. david: i had nothing to do with that. number four, julia louis dreyfus. julia: thanks for letting me take part in another hugely disappointing series finale. david: i had nothing to do with that either. number three, peyton manning. peyton: dave, you are to comedy what i am to comedy. david: that doesn't make any sense. peyton, oh my god. number two, tina fey. tina: thanks for finally proving men can be funny. david: i like that. things i've always wanted to say t

i travel to libya after the fall of qaddafi.hey came back and warned that we allowed the conflict to go too long. we did not engage on the front end. not only would it be a failed state but it would become a haven. i thought they were completely negligent. very little discussion on how to improve our standing in the region. particularly countries that are prospering and moving in a direction we think the world should move. we also ignored the situation in countries moving in the opposite direction whether it is argentina ecuador, or venezuela. i don't believe there are many successes they can point to. she was this chief architect and spokesperson. charlie: right there in the back. >> you spoke beautifully early on about the importance of holding other nations to high standards in terms of human rights and our moral authority around the world. many would argue it has been eroded through the continuing opening of guantanamo bay. even some of our own criminal justice issues in the united states. can you talk about your view of how

guest: let me just say, benghazi before the rebellion began against qaddafi was always a very strong islamist fundamentalism in the region. what had happened was it became in effect the base of operations against the could opt the -- by the qaddafi rebellion and chris stevens, before he became ambassador to libya from the united states, was the united states emissary in benghazi to deal with the rebel forces that were aligned against qaddafi. as a consequence, under the consulate cover, there were certainly an enormous number of other u.s. government officials i'm sure including representatives of the cia. i must say that that is one of the reasons why chris stevens was so comfortable and so well known in benghazi because before he went to tripoli as ambassador he spent an enormous amount of time in benghazi dealing with many of the leadership of that city that was in effect, the base of operations against the third -- over their efforts against gadhafi. host: our guest is a former senior adviser on policy to the white house, marc ginsberg thank you for being with us. we appreciate i

the u.s. had just gone into libya months earlier and toppled qaddafi only to see chaos ensue. and mccain's suggestion of creating safe havens in syria was a tall order. president obama asked the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, for a briefing. >> so dempsey gives a presentation, and everyone's jaws drop. he basically says that it's going to take roughly 70,000 u.s. personnel, not boots on the ground, but total u.s. personnel involved in this effort that would, you know, knock down syrian air defenses and be able to provide air cover for the rebels. and some began to suspect that he had inflated the figure because he didn't want to do it. >> you're talking about taking down a country that has a very sophisticated, at that time, a very sophisticated russian-provided, integrated air defense system. and it would have been a sizable undertaking. >> smith: the president was also briefed on legal issues involved in attacking a sovereign government. >> what was put forward was that it would violate international law, helping an opposition group to a gover

as bad as qaddafi was with human rights, the one thing he did effectively was keep al qaeda out of libya. he worked closely with us on that. i had been to libya prior to the fall of the government. one of the big jobs the cia had was to monitor inside libya with regard to extremism. one of the stories i talk about in the book is we were monitoring very effectively the rise of extremists in eastern libya in general and benghazi and in particular reporting that to the administration and congress. i think this is a success story in terms of us watching very closely what these extremists, some of them with connections to al qaeda, were doing in eastern libya. >> you mentioned benghazi. whitedwhy did the attack on the embassy happen? did we know about it beforehand? was there a way we could have prevented that attack? mr. morell: know we did not know about it beforehand. there was absolutely no intelligence to suggest that folks are going to attack that night. and attack the way they did. the only way it could have been prevented i think would have been to have battlefield kind of intelligenc

i traveled to libya after the fall of qaddafi. warned that if we allowed the conflict to go to law, did not get engaged that only would libya become a failed state but i haven for extremists to take root. i thought they were negligent. very little discussion about how to improve our standing in the region, particularly countries that are doing well or moving in the direction we think the world should move. mexico and chile and peru. we ignored the situation in countries moving the opposite direction. argentina ecuador, venezuela. i do not believe there are many successes they can point to in her tenure. she was the chief spokesperson of a foreign policy going down history as a disaster. charlie: in the back. >> spoke beautifully early on about the importance of holding other nations to high standards in terms of human rights and our moral authority around the world. i think many would argue that has been eroded through continual opening of guantanamo bay, our criminal justice issues in the united states. can you talk about your vi

. >> you know after qaddafi went in and tried to make money. >> relationships very clear here. >> onethe relationships andrea was with the secretary of state. >> with the secretary of state. so he is being paid also by the secretary of state foundation at the same time is he drawing a salary and bill, is he drawing a salary from the attack wing of the democratic party media matters. >> media matters. >> which claims to be a 501 c 35 charitable educational. >> he can get away with all of that. >> i don't know about that. >> what he can't get away with though is if hillary clinton intervened on his behalf to say set up a business deal. >> we don't know that for sure. >> no? we don't. >> we don't know for sure. he sent memos. it could have been that they hired this group in libya basically hired him because of his relationship and he sent a few memos just to basically make a few bucks. that doesn't mean it was going to enact policy or influence her she passed them on. she questioned them. >> this is the 85th incident of might have, could have, doesn't look good. is it 85? i think it migh

i traveled to libya after the fall of qaddafi, and want -- came back and warned, if we did not get backn the front end, it would the, haven for extremism to take root. i thought they were completely negligent on affairs in latin america. very little discussion about how to improve our standing in the region. particularly in countries that were prospering. we also ignored the situation in countries moving the opposite direction, bolivia ecuador. i do not believe there are many successes they can point to in her tenure. she was the chief architect of a foreign policy that will go down in history as a disaster. charlie: in the back. >> spoke beautifully early on about the importance of holding other nations to high standards in terms of human rights and our moral authority around the world. many would argue that has been eroded through continuing opening of guantanamo bay, our criminal justice issues in the u.s. can you talk about your view of how to resolve guantanamo, if we are going to insist on high-level human rights from the rest of the world? sen. rubio: innocent people deserve to h

she is proud much her role in overthrowing moammar qaddafi. it's interesting or oddity's not mentioned. heather: hillary clinton gave the state department 55,000 emails she said pertain to her work as secretary of state. only messages relating to the 2012 report on benghazi were released to the department. the personal ones. the 296 emails had been turned over to the house benghazi committee. why not the state department to begin with. >> that's secretary clinton's decision. she kept a secret system and she decided what to give the state department and what not to give the state department. then she destroyed everything on her system including the backups. there are a few possibilities for the absence of libya security in these emails. some republicans suspect she didn't turn everything over. that there were emails relevant to libya. she said she did turn everything over. the second possibility maybe she have much for this issue. possible. but we do know she went through 60,000-plus emails, so she was an email user. the last possibility is the

bill: with regard to libya every was advising business associates on how to win contracts after qaddafi fell. you remember when she appeared before that senate committee and rand paul raised this question. roll it. >> it's been in news reports that ships have been leaving from libya and they may have weapons. what i want to know is the an ex-close by, were they involved in buying, selling and transferring weapons and were they being transfer toward countries. >> you will have to direct that question to the agency that ran the an ex-d the annex. >> you are saying you don't know? >> i don't have any information on that. bill: whether it's sidney blumenthal or not this story runs very deep. >> one of the things i'm eager to see is whether these emails that clinton has -- the ones she hasn't deleted do they include these emails from sidney blumenthal. she says she turned over all work-related emails. the blumenthal ones are clearly work relate where thee has a freelance shadow intelligence adviser getting paid by the clinton foundation and the various liberal activist griewchts that are bas

as bad as qaddafi was with human rights, the one thing he did effectively was keep al qaeda out of libya. he worked closely with us on that. i had been to libya prior to the fall of the government. one of the big jobs the cia had was to monitor inside libya with regard to extremism. one of the stories i talk about in the book is we were monitoring very effectively the rise of extremists in eastern libya in general and in benghazi and in particular reporting that to the administration and congress. i think this is a success story in terms of us watching very closely what these extremists, some of them with connections to al qaeda, were doing in eastern libya. host: you mentioned benghazi. embassy happen? -- why did the attack on the embassy happen? did we know about it beforehand? was there a way we could have prevented that attack? mr. morell: no, we did not know about it beforehand. there was absolutely no intelligence to suggest that folks are going to attack that night. and attack the way they did. the only way it could have been prevented i think would have been to have battlefield k

i traveled to libya after the fall of qaddafi, and want -- came back and warned, if we did not get backon the front end, it would the, haven for extremism to take root. i thought they were completely negligent on affairs in latin america. very little discussion about how to improve our standing in the region. particularly in countries that were prospering. we also ignored the situation in countries moving in the opposite direction. argentina or bolivia or venezuela. i just don't believe there are many successes they can point to during her tenure. she was the chief architect of a foreign policy that will go down in history as a disaster. charlie: right there in the back. >> spoke early on about the importance of holding other nations to high standards in terms of human rights. i think many would argue that has been eroded through continuing opening of guantanamo bay, and our own criminal justice issues. can you talk about your view of how to resolve guantanamo, in regards to high-level human rights attention from the rest of the world? senator rubio: i believe innocent people deserve to

to all my friends on the republican side who yarn for qaddafi and saddam to come back you have got toe are americans. i'm never going to ask a young muslim arab, to live in a dictatorship for my convenience anymore. i'm not going to ask your kids to live in a dictatorship for my convenience. there's two things going on in the mideast -- a fight for the heart and soul of islam, and i'm going to take sides. i'm going to take sides with those who won't kill us. that's most. there is a fight for how you govern the mideast. i'm taking sides with young people who are upset about the fact they're living in a country where a few get everything, on the day their born their fate is determined. in the middle is the vacuum created by american lack of leadership and radical in the field. how do you start the peace process? go to the arabs and say, listen, we'll be with you in syria, we'll integrate our forces. you are going to have the main battle force, but we are going to give capability to supplement your forces so we take isil, and assad down. here's what we want in return. stop paying these g