after qaddafi was ousted david cameron visited libra twice taking basically a victory lap. so i think what the president said maybe he should not have said it but i think he spoke the truth, that mr. cameron has gotten distracted. among them is keeping the u.k. in the european union. and the president really is behind him on that. big rift here. john: what are principal tenets of the obama doctrine as articulated by president obama to the atlantic's jeffrey goldberg. >> the most basic is the don't do institute r dispute -- but to try to promote leadership by regional actors. i don't think it works out that way and i think the middle east is a testament to the failure of that viewpoint. but i think the -- i agree with pat and eleanor to some degree president obama shouldn't have said there to jeffrey goldberg. i think he regrets it. but he has understandable and legitimate points of grievance in terms of european allies saying one thing and doing another and not pulling their weight on defense. britain is better than most but not good enough. germany is the worst example. bu

qaddafi was overthrown but the a mess partly to because of tly england not being there and u.s. got tied up in iraq and other problems.t it is a frustration for his dent obama because doctrine such as it is, is to ry to work more partnerships and not be aggressive with our unilateralism. unless not going to work you can get countries like england, our best pal overseas. we go in for humanitarian cadavqaddafi from verwhelming benghazi and perpetrating a massacre. we should have held him up 48 hours and said you are on your own. we went for humanitarian reasons and left a humanitarian disaster place.erybody in that hillary clinton is responsible, the brits and french are responsible. responsible. is if there is an archetype of what is.sastrous intervention eleanor: it was a nato operation and everybody took great pride the fact that nobody died on the nato side and that this was well.lished so and then they didn't keep at it month after and the afternoon and the year after. i think that is what was behind he president's remark in that interview. tom: i do think conservatives ave t

the country's dictator, moammar qaddafi had been cooperate wusmght s. since the invasion of iraq in 2003. many voices were demanding he be removed from power. once again the president's top military advisors counseled caution. when he sided with those month supported the overthrow of qaddafi the secretary of defense went to extraordinary measures. bret: did you tell your subordinates to limit the amount of options you give the white house. >> i said i don't want plans or options going to the white house i haven't seen. bret: you wrote it differently. don't give them too many options, they don't understand it have much. you were concerned about that. >> running military operations out of the white house. the experience we had had with that in vietnam didn't work so well. bret: march 19, 2011, president obama ordered the american military to lead a coalition to confront qaddafi. the libyan leader was captured and killed by a mob. >> we came, we saw, he died. then there is syria. on august 20, 2012, after the syrian regime led by bashar al-assad, threatene

colonelcould get rid of qaddafi, but that created a vacuum for isis.es, we do get rid of assad to mark, but that would create another political vacuum that would benefit isis. so i say, yes, regime change is easy, getting rid of dictators is easy, but before you do that, you have to think about what happens the day after. >> with all due respect, you with to reduce change respect to libya. he joined the senate and voting to get rid of colonel qaddafi and you asked that there be security council validation of that would a resolution. all of these are very difficult issues. amy: hillary clinton, bernie sanders. bernie sanders has hillary clinton, among other things, is not qualified simpson because you voted for the iraq war. andrew bacevich? >> i don't know that i would judge some his qualification simply on one particular vote, but i have to agree with the basic argument that senator sanders is making, that secretary clinton is in unreconstructed hawk. in terms of the rhetoric, she comes across as more reasoned ,han the republican opposition but the fa

what i see instead is that the libyans believing in him shelves having gotten rid of qaddafi felt theyls in place to govern and shape their future as everyone wanted to see. but they didn't look for international support, they wanted to do it themselves and then they started fighting amongst themselves. >> reporter: that in fighting continues which is one of the reasons why this meeting is taking place in tunis and not tripoli. many important projects being discussed here won't materialize without political stability and security. al jazeera, tunis. >>> brazilian police have arrested a former senator as part of a corruption investigation in to petrobras. federal prosecutors say he took bribes to help protect construction firm objectives to being called for a parliamentary hearing in on i huge corruption scheme at the oil giants. probe has uncovered corruption at multiple companies and the government. brazilian politicians vote on sunday whether to impeach president dilma rousseff it's claimed she illegally manipulated government accounts to cover up government shortfalls, she has lashe

been split between rival governments since 2014, consequence of the chaos that followed the fall of qaddafi. the big challenges which still lie ahead for the country's leaders. libya's unity government is starting to get the support it desperately needs . on wednesday its prime minister arrived here in tripoli by boat, leading to hoax in the capital of the political deadlock could finally be broken. >> this is one that meeting people have been waiting for patiently -- libyan people have been waiting for patiently. reporter: the man tasked with living up to the expectations has an uphill battle ahead of him. on thursday, 10 cities in the west of the country also threw their support behind the u.n.-backed administration. but he barely set foot on a libyan soil for hardliners in the capital call him to either leave or surrender. since 2014, libya has been effectively ruled by 2 rival administrations, both of which opposed the new government. the third, based in truly, run by powerful militias. the third in an easton city internationally recognized. chaos has ravaged libya for five years, turni

. >> wasn't he warned about the dangers of taking out qaddafi? turns out the gate side was right. but i think obama is now on the side of irnd not have let then be measured. >> syria you will recall is where president obama drew a red line then it was crossed. >> the president and his advisors agreed on an attack plan. >> chuck hagel served as president obama's secretary of defense from 2 oh 013 to 2016. >> the president had made the final decision, and a few hours later we are pulling that down we are reversing that. secretary hagel said the president's decision damaged the credibility. >> it was all over the world. the allies would ask me, how can we have confidence in whatever else he says? it's an old principle that the president should be very careful about drawing lines. but once he drew that line, and the united states is obligated to enforce that red line. >> for a lot of people in washington, a bunch of other places around the world this is a weak moment for the united states, a weak moment in his presidency. what he told me was not only

people like saddam hussein, a vicious murdering thug, people like qaddafi in libya, people like bush are al-assad in syria, people who god knows how many people they have killed. it is not just overthrowing tyrants, but understanding what happens the day after you overthrow that tyrant. [applause] sen. sanders: and what we have seen throughout history over the last many, many decades is you overthrow somebody and you have unintended consequences. instability, more people die. so yes, our goal should be helping raise democracy all over the world, but before we go about overthrowing people, we should understand fully the consequences of what we do. regime change often has unintended consequences. [applause] sen. sanders: here is another area where secretary clinton and i disagree on. it is not a sexy area. the media does not talk about it at all. which can tell you, therefore, that it is a very important issue, and that is the disastrous trade policies. all right? again, not a sexy issue, but here is what it is about. for the young people, i will tell you something, and you can google

she is the one wanted to get rid of qaddafi. is the one who persuaded i think the white house, the arab league, went to the u.n. to make this happen. when it happens, then there is repeated requests for additional security, and the state department basically says could qaddafi is gone, we put our ambassadors in place. we will treat this as a normal situation. this was anything but normal. in fact, the government in control was called the transitional national government. transitional -- key term. you can allow host nation security to buttress your own security and that will be good enough like this was france or great britain or something? and then there is a repeated request for security. those are denied, and actually what they had was reduced. and then the tragedy happens on september 11, 2012, and then because it is 56 days before an election, this lady tells one thing privately to her family, it was a terrorist attack, and she tells the american people with her statement at 10:08 on the night of the attack -- think about th

we had soldiers killed in a nightclub in the 1980s in germany and reagan attacked qaddafi who did that because he sent a terrorist to do that very thing. this is not the proper way to handle the situation and when you say we are siding with saudi arabia versus 9/11 victims that is a false choice. trish: they feel they need to go after whoever they can go after and if the saudis had a hand in this why can't families say we will hold you accountable? >> we don't know if they had a hand in it. we classify 28 patients a long time ago. trish: he is looking forward to them being declassified. >> the saudi regime is in desperate need of political and social reform and believe me, their form of extreme islam has led many to join jihadi. those are facts and it is a strong ally of ours. we believe the saudi government and saudi officials were involved in 9/11, president bush walked away from that, the cia walked away from that, the fbi, pentagon and state department, the largest scandal the united states ever had in its history. likely we have unsubstantiated allegations, otherwise it would have

i mean, this might qaddafi him to -- qualify him to be the president of delta house but not the president united states and the white house. >> all right, alice, the other topic we talked about nuclear proliferation of the world, frankly and at one point donald trump said not only am i concerned about that but i also want to make sure that our use of nuclear that he holds all the cards. your thoughts? >> well, look, again, another example that he doesn't understand the basic issues that a presidential candidate needs to be understanding when they're running for president. this right here, the nuclear issue, is an extremely dangerous one. look, is he throwing nuclear weapons around like they are softballs. and that is not what we need of someone who would potentially lead the republican party. look, as a commander and chief, do you need to have all resources at your disposal, when it comes to defending our nation. but, when we are talking about our european allies and those many that are members of nato, ted cruz has made it abun dancely clear it's virtually impossible to come up with a sc

president obama mentioned his biggest mistake was libya and handling of lib libya after death of muammar qaddafih not ad lot of people did in the media, it was her move. why is the media pushing her more on that failure? he said it was his greatest mistake, that she made him make? harris: hard choices for the media. that is the name of the book, in case you didn't know. but president obama now has said in the last day or so it is time for a woman president you know as we talk about all these issues and i see the importance of them, are we getting ready to segue back to inevitability point based on gender? i hear what you're saying. i can see it. i can see that the media needs to be pressed, look for the answers on libya. look for the answers on the economy and whose promise she may have made to and where the money went to for the clinton foundation. if the president, a, defending her in the email scanned dan l l -- scandal and saying it is time for woman president is he trying to change the conversation? >> i think he is trying to intervene. more egregious what he said about the email. he said f

to be a nato intervention to protect civilian lives, but no one thought about what happened after qaddafi is gone. who is protecting his arsenals? many of the weapons flooded into west africa. fighters had recruited from sub-saharan africa, returned home with their weapons. hence, we have the collapse of mali. al qaeda to mali, are and islamic state forces that had not previously been there. my argument is, we don't know enough history, we don't know enoug culture. we assume that we can go in and remake the middle east or remake north africa. the counterterrorism strategy that seems to be hind even the humanitarian initiative isn't working. i do understand the dire need or desire to do something in the crises,one of these but what is going to work as long-term, especially with actors on the ground, being in control. not people outside telling them what they ought to be doing. the quick fixes are not quick, and they get very messy, very quickly. >> we can open this up. two simple rules, please wait for the microphone to reach you before you speak, and please identify yourself. we will star

intervention to protect civilian lives, that no one ever really thought about what happens after qaddafi is gone, who is protecting his arsenals? in fact, many of the weapons flooded into west africa, fighters he had recruited from sub sahara africa returned home with their weapons and hence we have the collapse of mollali. my argument is that we do not know enough history. we do not know enough culture, enough about what is happening on the ground. we assume we can just go in there, remake the middle east, north africa and the counterterrorism strategy that seems to be behind even the humanitarian initiative really is not working. i do understand that the dire need or desire to do something in the face of one of these crisis, but what is going to term, especially with actors being on the ground, in control, not being told what to do, and the quick fixes are just not quick and they get very messy very quickly. eric: thank you. now we can open this up. we have two simple rules. wait for the microphone to reach you before you speak and please identify yourself when you get the microphone.

president obama side his biggest mistake was failing to plan for the postliberation era where removeof qaddafiower vacuum. josh ernest defended strategy. >> president has not hesitated to use military force where necessary to take isis fighters off the field and to try to have an influence over the battlefield against isil. so that we can degrade and ultimately destroy that terrorist organization. reporter: analysts say the limited bombing campaign has inflicted damage but it is also redirected fighters from syria to libya. that said there has been a significant shift rather in strategy to more captures of isis leadership in syria and iraq to debrief them for intelligence but they are held on a limited basis because the u.s. is not sending new prisoners to guantanamo for any long-term questioning, bill. bill: catherine, thank you. watch that hearing for us today in washington. martha: as we told you donald trump seething after his loss in colorado which he believes was not fair. >> it's a corrupt system. it is a totally, corrupt, rigged system. martha: so he is saying that the system is rigged

the donald trump who strongly advocated for strong military action in libya against qaddafi, who thinkst's a great honor to be compliments by vladimir putin? this speech begins just a few blocks from the white house at the mayflower hotel. martha: donald trump taking aim at hillary clinton in his victory speech last night saying she's a flawed candidate. >> all she has is the woman's card. she has nothing going. if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she would get 5% of the vote. martha: what went through your mind when you heard that comment? >> unfortunately i think he's right. sadly, hillary clinton is the ultimate washington insider in a year of the outsider donald trump provides the best contrast. he's the ultimate outsider. if hillary clinton wasn't a woman i don't think she would be doing as well as she is. america is looking for someone to come in and shake things up and hillary clinton cannot do that, and donald trump can and has shown that he will as we have seen over this election cycle. martha: there is no doubt she'll embrace that part of her candidacy. here she is la

you did not follow up when qaddafi was taken down by his people. along with nato's help. please don't repeat these mistakes by reducing our forces in afghanistan, because you'll get the same result, probably worse. that's just my editorial comment. in terms of budgets. if we go back into sequestration mode, general, what would it mean to our presence in europe? mr. scaparrotti: it would have an immediate impact on the forces that we have there today. and i believe it would potentially put at risk the forces that we plan to rotate today. to reinforce our posture. and certainly it would impact the readiness of our remaining forces to come to europe if it should fail. mr. graham: would it be an encouraging sign to russia that we're less committed to europe? mr. scaparrotti: it would. mr. graham: general robinson, what would sequestration do to your ability to defend the nation's homeland? ms. robinson: it would definitely affect the readiness of the force and our ability to invest in capabilities to defend the homeland. mr. graham: can you give me examples what have we would

charles: president obama admitted libya, getting rid of qaddafi without a plan for when he was gone wastake. people have different arguments what might be the biggest mistake but the fact they admitted as much, there would be a more proactive game plan to make sure they can nip this in the bud. do you see anything coming? >> we won't see anything from this administration, the president is locked in for the rest of the term. as one who has been sent out to put things back together in the middle east, this is very hard work no matter how committed a president, congress and the american people are. it is not an easy thing. we have to do better, most importantly the entire stability and structure of the middle east are being shaken by these movements and reactions by iran, russia and other actors. charles: on that note i want to ask about he ran. they receive the controversial missile-defense system from russia, their own little program is not negotiable. what do you make of that? >> all of that is true. the russian delivery is a bad decision but not a violation of un regulations or un reso

al qaddafi. >> you're right, stuart, we're not sure to the extent will are americans involved. i don't see an american name. i haven't seen one either. what's to know is that the territorial reach is very broad. as relates to anti-bribery and anti-corruption are broad. there are three ways the federal government can come after people. stuart: i think they'll go after it, it's the biggest attack on the tax shelter industry. it's a trillion dollar industry. >> this leaking of 11 million documents, this is the biggest thing against the tax havens that i've seen in many, many years. >> i don't disagree with you. we saw 2009, the irs started to crack down and there was a period whereby you could come forward and sort of explain to the irs and sort of come clean to the irs, there are anti-bribery and anti-money laundering, hsbc, a penalty to the department of justice. not doing due diligence and-- >> couldn't american authorities say, shut down the cayman islands or some pacific atoll? >> no, these are sovereign states and many are legal not only under u.s. law, but laws of sovereign

out the vacuum created in iraq after the iraq war, deposing of saddam hussein and then deposing of qaddafiary clinton is responsible for the vacuum that arose? >> hillary clinton supported the war on iraq. no doubt about that, and clear from a lot of reporting she was a key voice in the administration pushing for the war in libya. i think at one point talking about being a 50/50 split almost in the administration and her tipping it over. so, yes. i do think you have to bear responsibility for things like that. >> but you don't think it's simplifying it a bit much saying the very complicated set of circumstances that led to the rise of isis can really fall at the footsteps of hillary clinton? >> well she's not solely responsible. not the only person or force responsible, but certainly bears some responsibility. look, bernie sanders was on the floor of the congress talking about exactly what happened. that's the kind of judgment you want in a president. you want somebody who can look forward, who understands what the dangers are of engaging in these kind of foreign adventurisms and bernie sa

people like saddam hussein, a vicious murdering thug, people like qaddafi in libya, people like assadn syria, people who god knows how many people they have killed. it is not just overthrowing tyrants, but understanding what happens the day after you overthrow that tyrant. [applause] sen. sanders: and what we have seen throughout history over the last many, many decades is you overthrow somebody and you have unintended consequences. instability, more people die. so yes, our goal should be helping raise democracy all over the world, but before we go about overthrowing people, we should understand fully the consequences of what we do. regime change often has unintended consequences. [applause] sen. sanders: here is another area where secretary clinton and i disagree on. it is not a sexy area. the media does not talk about it at all. which can tell you, therefore, that it is a very important issue, and that is the disastrous trade policies. all right? again, not a sexy issue, but here is what it is about. for the young people, i will tell you something, and you can google this as well. i

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