talking about the our strength in the region as a whole the app rising can be traced to just mubarak or qaddafi or. they happened in so many countries at once but is it fair to bundle all is revolves together i mean surely a different arab states had different reasons for the uprisings or did they not. i think they have to have the same problem everywhere the same problem is once again the datasheet the heart dictatorship with massive human rights violation all this you know all those human rights violation in fact they were hiding the the the most important problem which is corruption the huge amount of money that have been spent by the local police everywhere and our board this was the inacceptable especially for the new generation because what the leaders in that understand that they are facing a new genre ration i call it the asian aeration this generation of young people where educated work will inform. being you know. extremely aware of the everything good happening in the world etc. being part of this social network international social network it's about this asian immigration has nothi

of conditions that just before the summit and then as the president put it we went in to decimate qaddafi that would take place if we don't make a deal most likely. but we will attack you only if you attack us? that's deterrence. but the past two and review make movements in the rightht direction but for north korea surviving the kim regime is paramount. by strategy to make it clear thatgy north korea at the united states or its allies are attacked with nuclear weapons so they tailor this to a nuclear attack and not threatening the qaddafi model. but the nuclear posture review tuesday we will develop the russian threat and this side is we don't need nuclear weapons. in those handful that would require new fear weapons. with the hardened facility. and what i have proposed is a senior military officer. and then to reduce collateral damage. and to do deterrence. it isn't collateral anymore. in reducing collateral damage actually enhances deterrence providing to destroy theea real target to make it more effective. [applause] i am going to try to briefly build on the many insights that they ha

about libya now that gadhafi regime managed to uphold the tribal power balance in a country with qaddafi gone the tribes have gone to war do you think it's a responsible to start a revolt without thinking about how to keep the country together after their waltz i mean my class was you know the worst removing the dictator but losing the country in the process. yes well this is exactly what many people would say everywhere but i can i can respond to this. who is responsible of the situation on p.b.s. i think this gadhafi was head of state for more than four decades why didn't he. do everything you know to promote education to promote social just it's a corrosive imagine that this nick paper has done this has promoted i would see the minimum of the democracy the minimum of social justice is the minimum of i think the probably leader would be one of the richest and the most stable country in the in the reason why this is didn't happen so once again what's happened now in libya the outbreak of group lucian and the aftermath of the bush and it's the responsibility of gaddafi exactly it's the r

when she and three colleagues were taken prisoner by qaddafi's forces in 2011. >> they were about to as in literally at one point i looked over and i saw each one of my colleagues literally begging for their lives and i remember, i could barely speak and i just said please, and at that moment a commander came over and said you can't kill them, they are american. >> chris: they were beaten and held for six days, but then finally released. two months later, she went back to work. not on the front lines, but still in gaza and afghanistan and senegal and by now she was pregnant. >> did your family, did your friends, did you question what the heck you were doing? >> the fact is i was pregnant and i was surrounded by pregnant women and oh my god it was the most natural thing. >> when i'm here i want to be there, when i'm there i want to be home. >> chris: her son is now six. when she comes home he sits on her lap while she edits her pictures, sometimes of war refugees. >> he asked about work and i say it's fighting and some people get killed. i can't just lie to him. so i just say i will b

issue also was with iraq and that massively incentivized them to gain the leadership taking up the qaddafi regime and massively incentivized countries for decades on the korean peninsula as a major reason why north korea decided i have to get nuclear weapons in order to protect myself. it banned in u.s. leadership is the best scenario. the best scenario is something like europeans getting the gumption and the procession to set up regulations that will push back against secondary sanctions and let us not forget it's not just europe trump is trying to wrangle. south korea get an enormous share of its oil in parts from iran, something like 30%. japan as well. if these countries decide it's better to pursue a our own economic security interests separate from the united states which is acting irrationally, therefore sustaining some salvageable components of the tarrifs, that is the best scenario. >> thank you all. please join me in getting a round of applause to the panelists. [applause] thanks to the sponsors and all of you for coming. i met putin n91. >> was he the deputy mayor? >> yes. i was

this was at a time when libya was under moammar qaddafi and had a bad record on human rights. this really raises a bigger question, really. we've been here before, as you said. we've been in. we've been in out. we've tried everything. we've tried reforms. and yet the same mistakes are being made over and over again. it raises i think a more existential question, can the united states, the way it is currently constructed be a champion of human rights? the united nations is a political organization. it is an organization of nation states, and it reflects the official policies of the nations that go into the general ass assemb assembly. most of those nations are not -- many of those nations are not democratic, and they don't share our values, and yet there is an underlying assumption that just because you happen to be a nation and have representation in the general assembly, that because of the underlying ideal of the u.n., and also the idea that somehow you have to have consensus among all the nations, that this is a competing principle or ideal, if you will, with a whole notion

we know what happened in ukraine and with qaddafi.fact they had nuclear weapons provided the conditions for them to meet with trump in the first place. maybe trump will buy a different color lipstick so he can put it on the pig again. >> there we go. steve, president trump taking to twitter in multimillion tweple going after nato. how is the development with north korea, how is his attack on nato going to affect president trump's standing at nato this week? >> well, i think it is und undermining american leverage just about on every international issue that exists. even in north korea, we're now seeing south korea's interest diverge from those of the united states. we'd committed full, hardy support of alliance with south korea. we have a full alliance with nato, that they now doubt. all of our core allies doubt our resolve to be with them on their dark days. that means that when we have a tough time with something, when people are talking about -- like mike pompeo talking about ratcheting up sanctions on north korea, these other coun

you could probably have a change and we could have but will not have a qaddafi? we have to be careful because the future is in front of us that dynamics around it and i thank you. i wish we had more time maybe we have already lost the span. you will find video of this event within a few hours and we will publish the transcript in the next issue of our publications. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

orwill not have a qaddafi saddam hussein? we need to be careful. if you look at a pro-iran issue that dynamic is surrounding the issues as well. >> thank you. www.mepc.org. you will find video of this event within a few hours and we will publish a transcript in the next issue of middle east policy. thank you very much to all of the palace. panel lists. our live coverage continues, an event hosted by the alliance for health policy herein d.c.. we adjoining it in progress. first elected in 2000 fifths reelected to his term in 2016 and is the longest theice commissioner in country. robert moral is an associate commissioner at the maryland insurance administration here at he was appointed by marilyn's current commissioner. next

there's this notion that if he gives everything up, he could end up like saddam hussein or moammar qaddafi. i think what we want to do is test this proposition. north korea is the most opaque country in the world. we have no idea what the leader is thinking. maybe he wants to play us. maybe he wants to make an authentic change and try to adapt to the future so he can hold on to power. i don't know which it is. but i know it is a good thing to try to force him through proposals, through negotiation to show his cards and then that holds open the possibility that if he is truly interested in a better path forward, then we don't miss that because we aren't stuck in some mental frame that prevents us from seeing the real possibilities. so either way, i think it is a win to force the north koreans to come to the table and to negotiate in good faith. arthel: ambassador nikki haley, she was speaking thursday on north korea illegally getting petroleum. >> the u.s. put yesterday a halt to all additional refined petroleum shipments to north korea. china and russia blocked it. now, for china and russi

regime change in iraq, saddam hussein being pooled out of a hole, he sees other leaders like moammar qaddafioesn't want to become like them. he wants to hold onto power, and a nuclear weapon is the ultimate deterrent for having the united states try to tackle his own regime. america's history of preventive wars has backfired and created the situation we are in. mike: what about what nikki haley is doing in china and russia on the un security council, a problem the us has been dealing with for some time. >> china and russia are forms in the side when it comes to cooperating with issues like this. north korea in their region don't see the same threat the united states sees, but pompeo needs to be careful in his language. when he says north korea made promises to the world that is right, for all to see. but the rest of the world doesn't perceive this threat the way the united states does. we have to be realistic about that. mike: we talked about donald trump's visit with nato. share your thoughts about the trump visit. >> this will be in the boston globe tomorrow, thinking about whether nato an

we will not have a qaddafi or saddam hussein? we need to be careful. that future is in front of us. if you look at a pro-iran issue that dynamic is surrounding the issues as well. thank you. >> i wish we had more time. we may have already lost c-span. our website is www.mepc.org. ou will find video of this event within a few hours and we will publish a transcript in the next issue of middle east policy. thank you very much to all of the paneists. [applause] >> the international park and preserve is home to denali mountain, the highest peak in north america. >> as part of our year-long 50 apitals tour, the c-span bus recently made a journey to juneau, alaska. we'll feature our stops across alaska showing the state's natural beauty and literary culture. >> c-span's washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you and coming up this morning, citizens against government waste president discusses the findings of their 2018 pig book that looks at wasteful vernment spending and then fish and wildlife reporter michael doyle talks about various proposals to chang

he also knows the value of his nuclear deterrent and the results of those countries like iraq, and qaddafihe deterrent and were toppled. for our intelligence community, we're not only kernld of north korea's nuclear capability and proliferation. the nuclear site the israelis destroyed in 2007 was built by north korea and loose nuke scenario in the event kim jong-un miscalculates and his regime falls from within. >> sandra: interestingly enough the president weighing in at the rally last night. the situation in north korea and his strategy said at first they thought i was being too tough especially with his rhetoric and that he was going to cause war with that rhetoric. now he says people are saying he is being too nice. listen to him last night. >> president trump: during the obama administration it seemed like a missile a week. a lot of missiles going up and rockets up and nuclear testing. we had tough rhetoric. remember they said he is too tough. he is going to cause a war. it is too tough. now they say he is too nice. he is too nice. >> sandra: your reaction to that, dan. >> i'll go bac

qaddafi wanted to start trading his oil in euros instead of dollars and he was done away with.addam hussein wanted to do the same thing. he was done away with. there are imperialistic economic interests at work here. i just wanted to make that point. host: mark is next in ohio, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my phone call. korea, ip and north believe this is the first time a u.s. president has ever had a leader of north korea sit down and have conversation. i know before that, they were having a big twitter spat and mine is bigger. i do believe that north korea's knows that america has a different leader that is not a pushover. i think that if kim jong-un pulls out or embarrasses trump on this stage, he will retaliate with sanctions or other things that will hurt north korea. i do not think trump is a pushover and i believe he has seen that and he knows, the north korean leader knows that trump will not be pushed around. this whole thing of pompeo being out there talking, i think north korea is not going to turn their backs around. host: so you think something su