the way we talk about al qaeda, the way i define al qaeda i will call them "old guard" al qaeda.l convicted and focused too far in the attacks against the u.s. i try to be as specific as possible. you will see it when they get to the fifth part. this is where i talk about how we have to focus our strategy. guardle of dozen old committed al qaeda central areas. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, the most important al qaeda element in the world at this point. i have no doubt they are planning an attack against this. certain key leaders are running the actual cells that are out there. this is the off the reservation, i'm running my own al qaeda group. contact.ed -- and in direct contact. select members about a bob who has pledged -- al-shabaab who have pled loyalty. arm is al qaeda's primary in the future for them to move in. they would be would try to do a little trade and barred -- trade him barter. were americans that are joining up. -- or americans that are joining up. bomber, that i am really worried about. when i talk about al qaeda, that is the strain i am most concerned with

of al qaeda. methodology that isis has chosen to follow -- -- when it comes to his views of fighting, or he believes you should take care not to kill innocent civilians right up to the point of your military operations. he talked about not killing civilians, but if it was to make you give up an operation that was really worth it, he believed you should just go ahead with that and if you killed 50 innocent muslims and one american, that was perfectly fine. carrying out and invoking and anding a sectarian war spent a lot of time killing innocent shia. how many people can say they purposely set out to cause sectarian wars? that is exactly what he started to do. his vision of methodology and of creed said it is perfectly fine for us to do this. on the other hand, he has consistently said, it is wrong to kill innocent muslims and he has put a lot of pressure on those who have sworn fealty to him to live up to that. the change behavior in places like somalia, the shabbat who carried out -- the ashgabat

al qaeda is trying to figure out who is in al qaeda. what you see right there is person on the coast of kenya. i'm not authorized to speak about that. we pledged loyalty. and then, that does not mean if you give someone the of the loyalty they have to keep follow them if they're wrong. take their course of action we want general of the. is that osama bin laden? it is osama bin laden. and so this is sort of the tunnel that is going on right now. the funniest thing about our discussion is al qaeda might very well be the second most important group in the world today. in the past three weeks cells have been disrupted in saudi arabia. you have the juice -- jewish museum sugar is being linked to was going on. does not like he was commanded. and then just two days ago he had reports from germany that they disrupted. none of this was commanded or lead by al qaeda central. let's say we want to know about major league baseball. being the single, how long the cardinal's dying. but the cardinals, while the center of the baseball universe and 95 pe

argument that al-qaeda. lots of these places, a great one is like every article went aqim was like on the boom in 2012 really taking over billing, every article said they are the largest state in history of mankind, initiative in parentheses which also happens to be the largest pile of sand on the planet. they operate in a lot of these places but look at what happens when we decide, this goes into the counters him, when we decide to do something, the french, remember that country bailed out in world war ii? they been those guys out of mali in a week. holy cow. never saw that coming, okay? when we decide we want to do something, when we decide there's a threat to us, we can do. we are circling whole countries here and basically laying out an assumption that this is a threat to an entire country, or that al-qaeda controls an entire country. somalia, somaliland to we are talking about south and central somalia and a declining ratio at that. you can read the series on shabaab and the mapped out, it's good, i thi

al qaeda is trying to figure out who was in al qaeda. you see a person on the coast of i am not authorized to speak about that. the ironic thing -- if you give someone an oath of loyalty that you have to keep following them even if he's -- wrong. laden? bin what is going on a no credit right now. the funniest thing about our discussion is that al qaeda might be the second most today.nt jihadist group in the past three weeks, cells have been disrupted in saudi arabia. you had the jewish museum shooter. does not look like he was commanded by them. ago, you haveays reports from germany that they disrupted a cell. none of this was commanded or let by al qaeda central. when we are talking about is al qaeda winning? let's say we wanted to know about the state of major league baseball. i would say how are the cardinals doing? the centerls, while of the baseball universe, are one of only 26 teams. that is only 26 teams if you count the astros and the blue jays, which we should probably get rid of. they were the ones leading, they called themselv

this is essentially al qaeda. they will use that area as a safe haven from which to attack western europe. from which to attack the homeland. it puts the kurds in a very interesting position. they will have to decide, do we just stay as part of this iraq? or do we declare our independence? if they declare their independence, the kurds in turkey and the kurds in syria and the kurds in iran would want to join them. >> is that a bad thing? >> it is a very bad thing. the turks would not allow it. you would have a war in the north. the other bad part of division in iraq is that it could spill over to the rest of the region. these are all long lines drawn on a map. there's not a lot of meaning to them. the division of one part of the middle east that was drawn by the british really puts it into perspective. that is a very bad outcome. the second outcome, the second possible outcome, which would happen with significant iranian intervention, is what i call the iraq holds together under a shia dictatorship scenario. what h

three is that putin is thinking about that and the war against al qaeda. assad versus al qaeda. he does not want al qaeda on his consonant. he doesn't like terrorism. he does not want his people going up and causing more problems. those are his interest. how was he thinking about iraq? i do not know. i have not seen any statements he has made. i think that his focus on a rock that iraq will be similar to serial. he wants to make the u.s. look, but not allow terrorists to get a foothold. that is what he will be thinking about. is,y final question today is it possible that there is a grand bargain with the irradiance were we agreed to help them and they will do something on nuclear? so we can solve that problem? >> no, i do not think so. >> there is no wildcard? >> no, for two reasons. --l there are certainly while there certainly interested in discussing that, the diplomatic solution, there is no interest at all in letting the iranians -- the iranian military, go on the ground in a big way. >> is there a possibility of change in toronto -- tehran? the supreme leader makes all the

now you have al-qaeda army that we believe now has two helicopters which means they can move al-qaeda army folks around the battlefields. we have never seen this before. we have to engage with the arab league pans. i we do two-front strategy to do disruption activities in syria with elements in eastern syria. >> president obama says that the danger is if we get involved and we go back in iraq and clearly he doesn't want to do so and you have the sectarian split if there is no political reconciliation all we are doing is taking on one side of aive war. >> this is al-qaeda. this notion of sunni versus shi'a is wrong. unlawful all sunnis have joined al-qaeda. we have an al-qaeda problem in a scale we have never seen. remember when we did not do anything after 1993 the world trade center and it led to the 1998 eastern african embassy bombing, the united states embassy in africa what killed hundreds and the "uss cole" and hundreds were killed and then 3,000 members killed on 9/11 with a group that has al-qaeda ties that has the capability to tap people with western pass possibilities and s

we were attacked by al qaeda on 9/11. this president came to office saying, i'm not going to have these fake wars against, say, saddam hussein. i'm going to go after al qaeda. well, here it is. we are do 0ing next to nothing about it. >> rand paul is against it and a lot of republicans haven't been speaking up. this president isn't going to do that kind of strategy, is he? >> i don't think so. that's the other scary scenario here, you have al qaeda winning, iran winning because for iran it's fine to have a sunni terrorist in the north and you have a lack of leadership here on both the left and the right. but at some point, you hope nothing catastrophic needs to happen, but at some point you will need to really radically shift policies. >> but iran doesn't necessarily really want to fight there as well. i mean, this would be permanent civil war there, fighting between the shia and the sunnis. >> that's true. i think as you suggested paul what they would be willing to settle for is basically having control of southern iraq.

not every sunni has joined al qaeda. we have an al qaeda problem. that's what we have today in a scale that we've never seen before. that's our problem. remember, when we didn't do anything after 1993, the world trade bombing, it led them to the 1998 eastern african embassy bombing, u.s. embassies in africa, killed hundreds. then "uss cole" killed u.s. sailors in yemen, less than a year, after no action, saying this is really not our fight, we had 9/11, killed 3,000 americans. this is an al qaeda-inspired group that certainly has al qaeda ties, that now has the capability to tap people with western passports to send them back to europe and the united states for terrorist activity. that's a problem for us. >> you have talked a little bit about the arab league and that the u.s. could be on the sidelines. forgive me, leading from behind, if you will. should the u.s. be directly involved in should we send tomahawk cruise missiles, jet fighter, off our assets in the persian gulf? >> if we learn anything you can't fire missiles and turn around and come ho

between al qaeda and iraq. and al qaeda and pakistan. relationships goes up and down. it's down right now but it doesn't need to stay down. just re-familiar files, their goals are the same. their goals of attacking the united states are exactly the same. >> i have a question, there are reports that he was held, we had him captured, american base for several years then we let him go. and when he walked out he told a bunch of reservists who were from long island, knock, he said this, quote, i'll see you guys in new york. that was an intelligence, failure by our government to let him go? >> very difficult time trying to find the right amount of evidence. he was someone on the rise then. obviously this is a good lesson for us about letting people go who want to return to the fight right away, obviously. a little easier monday morning quarterbacking, that particular decision. but i can tell you this is something that we're going to have to deal with in the days, months ahead there are lot of individuals who are bein

taken over by militan a group of al qaeda did called isis.group of al qaeda did call isis. islamic state in syria. today they vow to march on baghdad, they are only 100 miles away and surrounded the biggest oil refinery and iraqi troops trained by u.s., most are putting their hands up instead of on the trigger. the goal the militants said today, to impose strict islamic sharia law, not just in iraq but syria and beyond. they are lead by a bill tablet that fought in iraq and was in u.s. custody for years. many say he's the true heir to osama bin laden. as militants advance, hundreds of thousands of iraqis are fleeing. families loading into cars and looking for safer territory. 13 packed in one car leaving mosul. they heard gunshots near their home and had enough. others were on foot. what is happening to iraq, it's splitting apart into three warring pieces. in the west, the militants are taking over and being joined by those for saddam hussein and under prime minister that is excluded suni s from the south, struggling to survive. and in the north, the kurds who for centuries

because they know that if al-qaeda grows stronger in the region, eventually al-qaeda's going to comehem. so. >> rose: because it's shi'a sunni or because it's something else. >> absolutely. because it's shi'a sunni and it's arab persian, it's both. >> rose: so the conversation with him would be where is the common ground, where is the common ground. what's the common ground. >> the common>> rose: convincee common ground. why should i give up my strategy and my goal, my strategy. >> that's why this is hard, right, is because it would be very difficult to convince him that the isis is a long term threat to him. >> rose: because he believed they could take him out when they want to. >> because he believes that with time, if assad wins in syria, that assad in a matter of months could deal with al-qaeda in syria and with the right -- >> rose: before i go too far. if assad wins in syria that means he could do what. if he wins he could do what. >> if assad wins in syria, if the civil war ends in syria, then in a matter of months, he will dismantle al-qaeda in syria. >> rose: within a matter

." >> tonight al qaeda is back and taking over iraq. who are these militants? >> they took credit. >> what do they want? >> this is the islamic caliphate talked about a decade ago. >> should americans worry? >> there is a real danger of somebody losing a nubbing liar w -- /* -- nuclear weapon in the united states. >> iraq and the rise of a terrorist estate. >> good evening. american finds itself being drawn back into that dangerous part of the world. president obama has sent military advisors to baghdad and after a long bee day he is asking congress for a writing program for rebels fighting in syria. tonight we are going to take a look at the crisis how we got here, what's happening on the ground, how we go forward. we will sit down and take a look at the big picture with our expert panel. we begin with the latest on the story that has gripped the nation and the world. >> iraqi military forces are organized and fighting back working to reclaim tikrit one of 50 cities ceased across northern iraq. video reports shows soldiers being air lifted into the area and at

this is an al qaeda-inspired group that certainly has al qaeda ties. it now has the capability to task people with western pass pordz to second them back to europe and the united states for terrorist activity. that's a problem for us. should the u.s. be directly involved? should we be sending tomahawk cruise missiles, jet fighters off our assets in the persian gulf? >> well, if we learned anything, you can't fire missiles and then turn around and come home. it has to be a coordinated effort. they have the capability, special forces, and other things to impact certain parts of the battlefield. we should use that and help them do that. if air strikes turn around the ability for an al qaeda army to march and gain more safe haven, remember, this is all to them about gaining safe haven, which puts them on the path to their -- that's exactly -- >> if it would make a difference. >> if it would make a difference. >> is al qaeda holding land the size of indiana a problem for the wraits? certainly when they were in afghanistan and had a plan to plan a 9/11 event

he's not decimating al qaeda.ense department. >> to what end would he want to weaken our capability? >> i think he really believes that a strong u.s. is disruptive to what he thinks the world ought to be. the united states has played a role for good in the world, for stability and peace and peacekeeping with significant military assets and the willingness to use them occasionally. i don't think he believes in that. i think his world view is different than what has been the national consensus, republican and democrat alike, since world war ii. and that is that the u.s. has a major leading role to play in the world. >> just on a personal level, when you think of all the blood and treasure that we spent in fallujah, in mosul, in ramadi, to see it all go back to al qaeda, how does it make you feel? >> well, it's a tragedy. it didn't]m$tuq to happen this way, if in fact the situation that we left in '07 and '08 after the surge with iraq in relatively good order and a stay-behind force there to keep it that way, it woul

, it's not an effort to reverse the gains that al qaeda has made. >> de facto petition. would that be the potential terrorist state in the west? >> that's a win-win for iran. >> i think at this point, you have -- we put in 300 people, that's not enough to either change the military facts on the ground, nor is it enough to buy enough leverage in baghdad to make the kind of political changes necessary to kind of bring about a sunni/shiite reconciliation. >> why is that point? they're also leaking, the white house is leaking they want the prime minister, nuri al maliki, who they plame, for all of this to go. is that going to work? >> no, i this that's going to make him try to stay in place, and it's going to bring the majority of the shiite around maliki, because americans are telling him to go. the partition is a terrible outcome for iraq, it's going to be very painful to separate neighborhoods, and it will be a final defeat of what we started and pay heavily in 2003 by going in. >> let's focus on one more piece of the partition. that's if this al qaeda affiliate is able -

how strong of a connection is there between boko haram and al qaeda? are they it officially deemed by al qaedas a membering organization? >> the ald leadership in afghanistan has never to my knowledge once even publicly mentioned boko haram. there's no talk that the program -- the behavior isn't the sort of thing that the current leadership would sanction. certainly these massive attacks on civilians seemingly wanton killing of civilians in large numbers and he very large proportions, muslim civilians as well, is not the kind of thing, in fact, al qaeda's leadership came out reese entsly to say that they didn't want too much killing of civilians in syria. they actually broke away with al qaeda if iraq and they condemned this. so the way they're going about things is not the kind of thing the leadership sanctions, even al qaeda in the sahara would sanction who themselves, the somali group is focused on thing that's are sanctioned, kidnapping westerners, issuing targets like the algerian -- in it january of last year. this kind of -- especially kidnap it

six heads of al qaeda. qaeda. >> colmes, if you don't see that iraq is about to fall, that syria is out of control, that afghanistan could fall and that putin is doing what he wants to do, i can't help you. i have got to go. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. we will talk with the journalists who was captured by the taliban. held for seven long months before he escaped. to wait a story. then miller on the clinton's financial portfolio. oh, that should be interesting. we hope you stay tuned to those reports. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims rat

al qaeda is largely a function of what is happening in syria. they started in syria and moved back into iraq. there were some remnants within iraq. the syrian conflict has been a large factor in fueling what has arisen in iraq. the united states has maintained an advisory presence in iraq, in our embassy. it is roughly the sort of arrangement we would have in afghanistan after 2016. that advisory role has been valued by the iraqis as they have now had to step up and deal with this threat. the iraqis -- the question you pose is one for the iraqis. we were not ever going to be doing the fighting for them. we are still able to offer support and advice. indeed, we are doing so today. what the president said yesterday, as part of his counterterrorism partnership agreement, is we are going to ramp up our support, not only to the opposition in syria, but to the neighbors of syria who are battling this challenge. >> edward snowden made some statements. was he trained as a spy? has his information damaged any person we can identify? >> he was not trained

they started as an al qaeda group in iraq. it is now a major force in syria. fighting since the last spring. the group want an islamic state linking syria and iraq, controlling the border and oil fields for them is a priority. now, their strongholds in northern syria include the city of elraqa. since january they have been in the anbar province, pushing into fallujah and parts of ramadi. since tuesday, they control mosul, parts of kooert cook. former iraqi ambassador to the raigss says the -- united nations says the current situation is linked to political failure. >> this is a problem many of us were concerned about when the negotiations in 2002 were occurring between iraq and the united states, about the withdrawal of american forces. many thought that iraqi troops were not ready to take over the security. the truth of the matter was the americans were never able to truly secure the country to the extent that they were able to reduce the violence. they did so with general pet ray us through a political arrangements. those agreements were reneged upon with th

al qaeda, who leads al qaeda who is the most popular, who is the strongest. biggest following. who is getting the most money. they are kind of way out ahead. if you remember zarqawi in iraq, sorry too much detail here, there was one point bin laden said we've just got to accept zarqawi because he's becoming such a name. maybe zawahiri will do it with al baghadi, but it's becoming that way now, michael. >> pretty much. it was al baghadi who wouldn't take orders from al qaeda and hence that breakaway, too. kimberly, let's bring you into the discussion here. you spent a lot of time in iraq and were wounded there work can as a journalist. when you looked at how it all unraveled, are you, like many of us, not all that surprised? >> it's painful to watch, because this is kind of coming full circle. baghadi's, one of his mentors was zarqawi and we were hit by a car bomb allegedly built by one of his cells. baghadi was held by the u.s. military before he was released sometime in 2011. he was held at camp buka. they say that he was careful to keep very low-key presenc

frankly, how do you see al qaeda today? >> i would like to begin with something that i think is underlying some of our different views of al qaeda. your vision of the africa and so on and so forth. but in fact, al qaeda has always had a second that has taken up funding time and effort from the 1990s. in 99% of the funding was going to creating what they call guerrilla fighters. the long-term insurgency rather than the 1% that is being spent on external attacks, that is, terrorist attacks. if an organization spends 99% of its money on one effort and only 1% on the other effort, on what basis do we focus on that 1% versus the 99%? that 1% was aimed at us. and isn't that the important thing and it certainly is for americans. we don't pay attention to that or that messy stuff going on out there. al qaeda said was their real objective. and that would replace them with people with the extremist version of sharia law. that is their underlying objective. attacking america was in a means because they saw america as the main stumblin

so when we talk about al-qaeda, the way i define al-qaeda, i will call them old guard al-qaeda; thoseat are still committed to the original objectives of al-qaeda, that are still focused on far enemy attacks against the u.s. and when i'm talking about that, i try and be as specific as possible because i really, you'll see when i get to the fifth part, this is really where i talk about how we have to focus our ct strategy. zawahiri and a couple dozen old guard, committed operatives in pakistan, afghanistan, al-qaeda central is how they're commonly referred to. al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, the most important al-qaeda element in the world at this point. they've got a demonstrated and repeated capability. they've tried on three occasions to do an external operations attack into the u.s. they, i have no doubt they're planning an attack against us right now. no doubt whatsoever. they are the decisive point in the future for old guard al-qaeda, in my opinion. we'll kind of come to that with some scenarios in a few minute. certain key leaders, aqim, if you ever want to know how they're

we have no comprehensive strate strategy, none to defeat al qaeda and affiliates. we need political and military alliances where we can help train peel, provide intelligence, share it, provide equipment like we did post world war ii against the communist and said we will not stand for this threat and this was successful. >> why are we doing that? >> we're doing none of that, megyn. we help a little bit in yemen but no strategy to share intelligence and do the things that i have suggested. this is not rocket science. we don't have to fight all these people. we can let those countries do it, but they need intelligence and need our skill sets and the benefit of what we have learned by being engaged with these organizations for over ten years. >> general, thank you, sir. >> take care, megyn. >> these city thes over run are the same ones u.s. troops fight and died trying to liberate. 4500 americans making the ultimate sacrifice towards the end allowing president obama to make claims like this one. >> i said we would refocus on the people who actually attacked us on 9/11

as we knew al-qaeda and the al-qaeda leadership. a lot of that took place. what's happened here as you well know better than me is that the spread of al-qaeda affiliates has been pervasive not just in the middle east but around the world. africa specifically. >> indonesia. >> rose: is that all because of the obama administration is my question. because the op ed seemingly point to them as responsible. >> no. what i would blame them for is the refusal to recognize the spread, the refusal to recognize there is this proliferation in terrorist groups. jihadist groups like al-qaeda. they're not all affiliated with al-qaeda but they have similar objectives, similar religious beliefs and the number of individual terrorists are estimated to have doubled in a four year period of time. that's what concerns me. the state department's spokesman that goes out basically and talks about core al-qaeda. we've decimated core al-qaeda and all that's left are the numbers. that's not true. there is this massive expansion of terrorism in that part of the

six heads of al qaeda.e after al qaeda. >> colmes, if you don't see that iraq is about to fall, that syria is out of control, that afghanistan could fall and that putin is doing what he wants to do, i can't help you. i have got to go. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. we will talk with the journalists who was captured by the taliban. held for seven long months before he escaped. to wait a story. then miller on the clinton's financial portfolio. oh, that should be interesting. we hope you stay tuned to we hope you stay tuned to those reports. huh, we hope you stay tuned to those reports. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yeah. everybody knows that. did you know there is an oldest trick in the book? what? trick number one. look-est over there. ha ha. made-est thou look. so end-eth the trick. hey.... yes.... geico. fifteen minutes could save you... well, you know. if ...hey breathing's hard... know the feeling? copd includes emphysema and chronic b

is doing to stop the al qaeda army in iraq. tonight, we'll have a robust debate about protecting america. is president obama doing that? >> i talked to one resident down there that said i'm having a hard time buying bread right now because we have got border patrol agents who are putting together peanut and butter sandwiches by the thousands. >> as the mexican border continues to be breached by thousands of illegal aliens many of them kids, texas says it will strike back. we will talk to governor perry tonight. >> what happened to lois lerner's email? >> that i would refer to the irs. they will answer this question. >> also ahead, will the administration get away with losing lois lerner's emails? we will analyze that question. >>> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ >>> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. president obama speaking about iraq. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. talking like a college professor. the president outlined othe pr

we went into afghanistan out of necessity after our nation was attacked by al qaeda on september 11, 2001. we went to war against al qaeda and its extremist allies with the strong support of the american people and their representatives in congress. with the international community and our nato allies and with the afghan people who welcomed the opportunity of a life free from the dark tyranny of extremists. we have now been in afghanistan longer than many americans expected, but make no mistake, thanks to the skill and sacrifice of our troops, diplomats and intelligence professionals, we have struck significant blows against al qaeda's leadership, we have eliminated osama bin laden, and we've prevented afghanistan from being used to launch attacks against our homeland. we've also supported the afghan people as they continue the hard work of building a democracy. we've extended more opportunities to their people, including women and girls, and we've helped train and equip their own security forces. now we're finishing the job we started. over the last several years, we've worked to tr

to capture or kill osama bin laden and destroy the taliban regime that supports al qaeda. by november, the enemy is on the run. forced to flee into the mountains and across the border to pakistan. but while bin laden remains at large, washington's attention turns to iraq. to saddam. >> i think the united states since desert storm has always had a various planning with respect to iraq. >> operation desert storm. also known as the first gulf war. in 1991, following iraq's invasion of kuwait, a u.s.-led coalition of 34 countries drives saddam's forces out of kuwait and decimates the iraqi army in six weeks. but despite that overwhelming victory, president george h.w. bush faces criticism as home for not going all the way to baghdad to rid the world of saddam hussein. >> i made very, very clear from day one that it was not an objective of the coalition to get saddam hussein out of there by force. >> dick cheney, his defense secretary at the time, supports the first president bush's restraint. >> i think we got it right. conversations i had with leaders in the region afterwards

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we are not expecting al qaeda to surrender. are right they will behind behind the civilians as they always do. inaction, no action i think would be a disaster for this country. >> total disaster. >> i do think we have to avoid becoming the air force. presence guide iraqis on the ground. if we had a residual force there a stay behind force of advisors, they could be helping the -- stiffen the iraqi fines, help them coordinate and plan their efforts. provide vital intelligence. and maybe even some special operators take on a couple of vital important tanks. but, we can't just simply do this from the air. that was the joe biden strategy from afghanistan and iraq. and we will find that if that's all we do. >> you are saying the united states should inject ground forces in now is that what you are saying? >> no. i want to be careful. look, we have got -- the president announced 275. >> 275. >> right. 275. i'm not a military expert so i can't tell you the magic number. look, we have the ability to help provide intelligence and help p

it took al qaeda to attack the center on 9 the/11.if we would have paid attention, we could have prevented a lot of things. as you mentioned earlier in the show, they are operating, they are very sophisticated and their agents are already operating in the united states and definitely there are sympathizers within the united states. >> do you think if they do establish this caliphate, eric, that they will go west? >> thousands of western muslims from britain, france, germany and yes, dozens of americans have already travelled to syria to join us with isis. just last month, we have a florida muslim blow himself up in syria. once they return, they're u.s. citizens. they're battle trained in syria and iraq with isis. >> and why are they even worse than al qaeda? and how big of a threat are they, you know, now. is it the future that they're coming. why are they so angry with us? a. >> well, they want to re-establish the caliphate. they are operating with a goal. sorry. and that goal is to establish an islamic caliphate worldwide. in their