. >> al quaida is pretty much -- >> charlie: is al quaida, al quaida and affiliates. >> the afghan people are not very much in support of the taliban. you know, the taliban did the worst thing in afghanistan. they antagonized the afghan people, and that's why the afghan people supported the u.s. and international intervention in afghanistan, and i think, if you deal with pakistan, with india, with iran as you have dealt in the past and hopefully with a new outlook to develop economic and social development in afghanistan, that you can get over this issue. >> charlie: what's going to happen in pakistan? >> what does pakistan need? it need stability, economic development and it needs a freedom from baggage that is inherited from previous governments. so, on stability, the government has to establish its writ. i think they're calle called --n areas where there isn't much government there. >> charlie: you have been talking about the biggest problem the u.s. had in afghanistan is there was a safe refuge. >> and the pakistanis would say there was a safe refuge for pakistani elements in afghanis