[laughter]. >> well, so now do a little compare and contrast with quanah parker. you know, again --. >> that was a whole different deal. >> but some similarities in, you know, thematically, you know. >> oh, thematically. >> it's a war book and the story of transformation, but obviously very different story, very different protagonist, and ultimately probably a very different process for writing the book. >> yeah. i mean, he was -- i mean, quanah was one of the great transforming figures of the american west as he crossed from being the greatest comanche warrior into being the leader of his tribe and peace. >> right. >> it was one of the most astonishing and successful transformations on the frontier of all times, so i guess what i'm interested in fundamentally are transformations. >> also underdogs. >> yes, and underdogs and transformations. transformations, you know, we all know people who have transformed themselves. i mean, my brother-in-law has, you know, i mean --. >> are you just going to leave that hanging out there? what did he do? >> but i just think peop

he's the best selling author of acclaimed books about quanah, parker and stonewall jackson. former, a finalist for the pulitzer prize, both finalists for the national book critics circle. he's s.c. gwynne, this is "overheard." [applause]. >> actually, there are not two sides to every issue. >> so i guess we can't fire him now. >> i guess we can't fire him now.