quarterman raised, and i emphasized earlier, which is that standards need to be sufficiently high. they need to be enforced rigorously, and that penalties have to provide a deterrent to violation of them. she rightly emphasized the need for increased penalties when they fail to provide a deterrent to violation of safety standards. the experience of metro north, i think, provides a national poster railroad in culminating years of neglect and systematic and cultural failure in a series of catastrophic incidents costing lives and injuries as well as dollars, and i think that a lot of eyes were opened by a series of reports, most significantly in the connecticut post, that detailed the actions of significant penalties over a period of time, 2004 and 2013 where most of the penalties were in the range of $5,000 or $10,000. the total was around $220,000 for a series of defects in procedures and operations that were -- one of them, for example, applied to robert luten. a metro north worker killed on the tracks near westhaven with a senseless and needless neglect of safety by metro north. t