you know if paul ryan, he tried, before trump was elected, he spoke out against trump, and then got quetta, gain. and now it's just, he's a guy giving a speech in california who used to be speaker. >> i did -- i did think it was interesting, john, that jim is right. he didn't say trump's name through the whole speech and then this one moment where he did use trump's name to praise him for what he called inclusive economic growth ahead of the pandemic but then said it was the populism of trump in action tethered to conservative principles that worked. so what he's arguing or what i took away from that speech is, we can win again, republicans, and we can be the party we need to be if you combine the populism of trump with the conservative ideals of reagan. my question to you, john, as an expert on all of this and the history of the party is, can you do that anymore? can you do that today? >> no. >> okay. >> no, because you can't tr triangulate between truth and lies. you can come up with all the political calculations you want and talk about a big tent party, but if marjorie taylor greene an