tonight, when michael met quincy. jones speaks out about his partnership with michael jackson. we'll also have this -- >> the most incredible part of that whole thing was on his being wheeled to the hospital, he's waving to his fans with the glittery glove. >> michael was on top of the world when a shocking onset accident changed everything. in a split second, his hair catches fire, but leaves a lifetime of physical and emotional scars. tonight, the inside story behind michael's reaction to the event that would change his life forever. then michael jackson the defendant. awful accusations. michael charged with molesting children. tonight, jackson's former attorneys open up with michael's devastating emotional roller coaster during the battle of his life. this is special edition of "showbiz tonight" on hln, the life of michael jackson. >> god gives you certain gifts and some people he gives different gifts and some people he gives more gifts. this child was just an extraordinary child, touched by this ability to have p

but quincy knew how to make thin sell and michael kn quincy would be theight man. two observations -- >> and i just y, at that point, first of all, he was very g andhe went backo the label and said, fine, if you don't want him, we'll makehe record elsewhere to assert himself so much at such a you age shows his business mind as well as his obvious talent. >> two observions from what i've seen,o have smokey robion start out quoting diana ross, is so perfect. that's his motown ly, smey robinson is one of th huge stars of motown. diana ross is one of the huge stars of motown that helped shepherd him on the stage. the officialstory, diana ross introduced michael jackson to the world. of cours it'sladys knight thatd barry gordy, yu're going check this kid out, a barry gordy saw him doing temptatis and james brown songs and said, oh, my god. the her thing we talk about, reverend sharpton doing e offici official ul ji. shifting from jacksoto sharpton. and people may have certain feelings, deep feelgs about shpt as a political feature and perhaps some of those are righteous

quincy, it's amazing to think 40 years ago. the united states and around the world how you got connected to the first two men landing on the moon. >> well, you know, it's ironic as you say that, i'm sitting in the port, i was there with sinatra 40 years ago. such a coincidence. i was working as a musical director at a record company in paris and one day, they called me and told me grace kelly's office called from monaco and mr. sinatra requested i bring my 55-piece house band down to monaco to accompany him for a fund-raiser. this was 1958. i went, took all of them up and went down and played with him, and i didn't know whether i was on his radar screen but it was a dream to work with him, because like magic. four years later, i hear from him and he called, he was directing "none but the brave" and he says q, nobody ever called me that before. i heard the arrangement, i did the album with count basey and the song was originally "in other words." it was a waltz. he said i like the way you did it. and he said i would like to do a

jackson would turn to quincy jones, then musical director for "the wiz." winning producer, arranger, and composer. >> i said, you know what? i'd like to take a shot at producing your record. and we started going. started to get going. and the record company said, no, quincy's too jazzy, he's not the person to do this. and so michael and his managers fought them and said, quincy's doing the record. >> reporter: legendary music producer quincy jones would produce jackson's first adult solo album. 1979ings, "off the wall." jishs the album was a smash with songs like "don't stop till you get enough" and "rock with you" reaching number one. ♪ don't stop till you get enough ♪ >> this is the greatest moment that disco had in its entire history. ♪ i'm going to rock with you all night ♪ >> they are songs that still hold up today. they don't sound dated. i guess what none of us could have anticipated was the album they would then produce after "off the wall." >> reporter: that album was 1982's "thriller." and it would catch fire when jackson unveiled an out of this

quincy jones would produce jackson's first adult solo album 1979 "off the wall." with songs like "don't stop till you get enough" and "rock with you" reaching number one. ♪ >> this is the greatest moment that disco has in its entire history. ♪ rock with you all night >> they are songs that still hold up today. they don't sound dated. i guess what none of us could have anticipated was the album that they would then produce after "off the wall." >> that album was 1982's "thriller" and it would catch fire when jackson unveiled an out of this world dance move on a television special for motown's 25th anniversary. >> what a moment that was in pop culture history when he moonwalked across the stage there. >> so he's doing the moonwalk which when he first did it nationally, it was like, wait, is gravity being like messed with here? >> special effects like what are we doing and within six months, every 10-year-old in dallas could do it. >> the transformation was complete. michael jackson was about to go from child pop star to the biggest star on the planet. when we contin

have ever written about that time exclusively in john quincy adams career. he spent 17 years here at the house after serving president and had a distinguished career, was an outspoken opponent of slavery, and in many ways with somebody who foresaw of the disunion and that was going to occur over that great subject and he was just a stalwart on the subject and was a fierce defender of the constitution and american rights and, of course, defended the black slaves who had been the famous incidents on the amstad and john quincy adams actually took that to the supreme court and killed in an era when nobody thought he could -- in is a fascinating story of john quincy adams and his time post presidential and i think one of the few books ever written about that time. in his live. a book that i just finish when i got here to the house, of course, is the house historian's book called the house which is a short history of the house of representatives itself which is a great institution and has lots of interesting characters and, of course, a great history swelling arou

it is a fascinating story of john quincy adams and his time post presidential. think it is one of the few books ever written about that period of time in his life. one book i just finished reading when i got here to the house is the house historian book called as the house. it is a short history of the house of representatives itself which is a great institution and has a lot of interesting characters of course, great history swelling around this place. a wonderful read for those of us who have come to congress this last year. hi went from reading from ancient rome so i read cicero and agusta is too wonderful biographies and also of the biography on julius caesar which was so good i then went to the novel on julius caesar which is also a great read. and the book and pm which is about cicero and then i could not get enough about danger room so i read every novel and short stories stephen sailor has done. he created a fictional character but the history behind it is all that accurate and it is during that time period during julius caesar and the justice. i have ha

and we were at quincy's one day.h michael. the person who never spoke. and i'm trying to figure out what do i do? >> larry: what happened? >> i picked up a magazine and started reading it. and there was a pause and michael looked at me and said, i heard you like to shop. >> larry: great line. can't top that. what did you think of today? >> it was actually very elegant and dignified. and i have to tell you, none of us, i don't think, were sure what to expect. very dignified. i think it was beautiful and emotional and it was a nice way to say goodbye. but it was difficult, especially towards the end there. >> larry: were you surprised, mikko, today? >> no. i was very happy. aeg did a good job. it was nice it was done at the place where he last performed on stage. everyone did a great job. they talked about how much love and what kind of person he was and i'm glad now the world knows we are going to miss a good man. >> larry: difficult for you at times. >> ridiculous. >> larry: barry gordy said this. >> i think king of

and we were at quincy's one day. and i'm trying to figure out what do i do? >> larry: what happened? >> i picked up a magazine and started reading it. and there was a very pregnant pause. and michael looked at me and said, i heard you like to shop. >> larry: great line. can't top that. elegant and dig. on of us, i don't think, were sure who to expect, but it was beautiful, and i think it was emotional, and it was a nice way to say good-bye, but it was difficult, especially towards the end there. >> were you surprised today? >> no, i was really happy for the event. i think aeg did a great job. >> larry: they did. >> it was nice it was done at the place where he last performed on stage. i think that's meaningful in a way. i just think everyone did a great job. they all talked about how much love and what kind of person he was, and i'm glad now the world knows that we're going to miss a good man. >> larry: difficult for you at times? >> ridiculous. >> larry: motown founder berry gordy paid this tribute to michael today.

black people adore sidney poitier and quincy jones. look, both those individuals marry white women, some people criticize michael because he married a white woman. that's absolute nonsense. people, african-americans, adore michael jackson because of one thing, the music. you can go to any club in america. i don't care if you have the biggest gangbangers or you have people upper middle-class who have tons of money. if you put on "want to be startan something" if you put on "can't stop 'til you get enough" they will flood the dance floor. that's the piece there when you think about musicians if you think about why people adore entertainers, it was because of the work. yes, there's a personal side. when people think about that. that's what it points to. i have people e-mailing me who are trying to do their best to get tickets to go to london for one of those concerts. these folks didn't even have passports, but they said they wanted to be certainly at one of those concerts. so, that's what it was about. it was simply about the music. and

i'm sure quincy jones was pleased. he was. anthony and i flown out tosy's house in bel air the week before to show it to him. he was delirious. and he said, that's good news. my head popped up. i was thinking what is bad news? bad news, last six months the bottom has fallen out of the market for cd-rom reference works. he said, if you can do it as a game? [laughter] now, ladies and gentlemen, you might have gathered i'm a pretty up person, but i sat there, batting back the tears. my two million dollars, can touch it. walked out of the room and flew back to laguardia from boston logan with alberto. this project is doomed. it will never happen. thatted about two weeks. i pounded pavement of new york. ladies and gentlemen, i keep a box of 25 rejection letters. i was rejected by every major publisher in the united states. oxford and cambridge, a who are ward and yale. mcmillan and scrivener's. they loved the idea and how much this cost? $2 million. and eyes would over. you raise the money and you get back to us. finally i threw a

i was out there in the community of quincy. i was noticing that the concept that they said is that if they could thin those forests, they could minimize the risk of forest fire as well as using the resources that would be pulled out to create jobs at the same time. could this fire have at least been mitt gated if we'd gone through these practices of thinning the forest under proper procedure this is a would help the forest and the economy? mr. mcclintock: that's why we thinned those forests for many year, reduce the risk of forest fires and from the excess timber we provided a thriving economy throughout the region and provided a tremendous revenue stream to the national treasury because the timber is on land owned by the people of the united states system of we had healthier forests and we had a healthy economy. both have been imperiled by these policies. then you have to add the tragedy of the human loss of the heroic young men like mr. marevitch who gave his life today to try to stop the fires which are more intense today an

quincy called me and said, listen, you got to come in to l.a. tomorrow. i said but i'm working.e said, well, he said you're going to be working here because have you to be here. it was the most incredible event that i've been a part of in a long, long period of time. >> was damon around for that? damon, you didn't get to share that with your mom? at least you've heard her speak of it but you weren't there for any of the taping. were you? >> actually, i was around. of course, you know, i had to go to part of it because i'm the biggest michael jackson fan breathing. i'll say that. and i begged mom and she let me be a part of it. and one of many special occasions i was part of with mom. >> "we are the world" and related merchandise raised a total of $63 million for famine relief in africa. >>> michael jackson's music served as a muse for a lot of musicians, including one of our own i-reports. he had a band that covered jackson's songs of the 1980s. ty joins us from string field, massachusetts via skype. ty, i can't wait to show some of these pictures. first, did you sign up for tic

jackson returned to quincy jones. then musical director for the whiz.ammy winning producer, arranger and composer. >> i said, you know what? i like to take this childhood producer record. and we started going. we started to get going. and the record company said, no. quincey is too jazzy. he's not the person to do this. and so michael and his managers fought them and said quincey is doing the record. >> music producer quincy jones would produce jackson's first adult solo album, 1979, "off the wall." the album was a smash with songs like "don't stop till you get enough" and "rock with you" reaching number one. ♪ don't stop until you get enough ♪ >> this is the greatest moment that disco had in its entire history. ♪ rock with you all night ♪ >> there are song that's still hold up to day. they don't sound dated. i guess none of kous have anticipated is the album that they were then produce after "off the wall." >> that album was 1982's "thriller" and calf fire when jackson unveiled an out of this world dance move on a television special for motown's 25th a

most of the artists who were in the room had been invited by quincy jones. the american music awards. recording studios. i was performing in vegas at the time. and steve winwood was just wonderful. he sent me back to l.a. on a private jet so that i could be a part of this. quincy called me and said, listen, you've got to come into l.a. tomorrow. i said, but i'm working. he says, you're going to be working here because you have to be here. it was the most incredible event that i've been a part of in a long, long period of time. >> damon, was damon around for that? you didn't get to share that with your mom, did you? i'm sure you've heard her speak of it but you weren't there for any of the taping, were you? >> actually, i was around, and of course, you know, i had to go to part of it. because i'm the biggest michael jackson fan breathing, i'll say that. and i begged mom and she let me be a part of it. and one of the many special occasions that i was a part of with mom. >> you know what, you guys, a lot of people have come out and said they were friends with m

and certainly he was in a booth with quincy and the rest of the engineers listening to playbacks anduch involved. >> larry: did you have any idea or realize the impact that that would have? >> well, sort of, yeah. i mean, when you bring a group of entertainers together who have one specific intention, you have to have success. music rules the world, you know? >> larry: yeah, you're not kidding. what's the loss meant to you? >> an awful lot. michael was very, very special to me. and he was probably one of the sweetest, kindest, gentlest men that i've had the pleasure of knowing. and working with. >> larry: i thank you so much. dionne warwick. for more information about usa for africa and impact your world go to cnn.com/impact. how are we going to make this business work and keep the economy going? it's the local pizza guy that needs to pay his supplier for the dough. during these times when you think most people would roll over, small business owners figure out a way to fight, and i just love being part of that kind of a team. we are able to provide customers with ways that they can k

and the teachers said to me, dennis, and yet afscme some question about john quincy adams. i started saying, john adams, i did not know john adams from john quincy adams from samuel adams when i was that age. not only did i not know who they were and really do my work in school with the history because i was not interested, but i did not even care that much in that period. i kind of had an idea that history was not real. we had a picture in our schools in chicago of george washington and abraham lincoln and everything seemed kind of laid out like it had happened sort of inevitably and have been in such a long time ago. i really didn't get interested in history until i was in my 30's or so and let me tell you how it happened. i was writing a book and doing some research about abraham lincoln, and i read about abraham lincoln having some conversation in a tent. i just don't remember all the details. it seemed fairly interesting and it was from one person's point of view who was there, and then i read another piece of historical writing from another person's point of view, who

quincy said you got to come in to l.a. tomorrow. i said i'm working.said you're going to be working here. you have to be here. it was the most incredible event that i've been a part of in a long, long period of time. >> reporter: was damon around for that? you couldn't share that with your mom you western there for any of the taping, were you? >> actually, i was around and, of course, i had to go to part of it because i'm the biggest michael jackson fan breathing, i'll say that. and i begged mom and she let me be a part of it, and that was a special occasion. >> "we are the world" back to 1985. all that recording and related merchandise, brought in money for famine relief. stay with us on tuesday for around the clock coverage, celebrating the life of this worldwide pop icon, family, friends, all cloblly. michael jackson the memorial, cnn all day tuesday starting with "american morning." >> did you watch this yesterday? this hot dog eating contest? >> no. >> kind of tough to stomach. >> especially after all the hot dogs yesterday morning. >> that's the

quincy jones produced it. a hand ♪ ♪ to life the greatest gift of all ♪ ♪ we can't go on pretending day by day ♪ ♪ that someone somewhere will soon make a change ♪ ♪ we are all a part of god's great big family ♪ and the truth you know love is all we need ♪ ♪ we are the world we are the children ♪ we are the ones who ♪ make a brighter day so let's start giving ♪ ♪ there's a choice we're making ♪ ♪ we're saving our own lives ♪ ♪ it's true we'll make a ♪ ♪ better day just you and me ♪ ♪ when you're down and out and there's no hope at all ♪ ♪ well if you just believe there's no way you can fall ♪ ♪ a change will come when we stand together as one ♪ ♪ we are with the world we are the children ♪ we are the ones who ♪ make a brighter day so let's start giving ♪ ♪ there's a choice we're making ♪ ♪ we're saving our own lives ♪ ♪ it's true we'll make a ♪ ♪ better day just you and me ♪ ♪ we are the world we are the children ♪ we are the ones who ♪ make a brighter day so let's start giving ♪ ♪ there's a choice we're makin

john quincy adam anew jackson. martin van buren. william henry harris. hn tyler. james k. polk.e. franklin p prce. james buchanan. abrahalilincoln. andrew johon. ulysses s. grant. rutherford b. haye james gaield. chesteter a. arthur. grover cleveland. benjamin hararrison. wiiam mckinley. eodore roosevelt. willlliahoward taft. woodrow wils. warren g. haing. cain coolidge. herbert hoover franklklinin d. roosevelt. dwight d. eisenhower. john f. kekennedy. ndon b. johnson. richard nixon. gerald r. ford. jimmy rter. rold reaga geororge h.w. bush. clinton. george w. bush. bara obabama.. >> wow. got all of them. >> yeah. >> but that wasn't backwards. >> it was not backwards. can you do it backwards? no, you don't want to do that backwards. what day of the week was july 6, 2002? >> july 6, 2002, july 6, 2002 was a saturday. >> that is right. it was a saturday. and what color socks was i wearing on that day? [ laughter ] i was born on november 13, 1967. who was presidenon that day? >> that day, lyndon johnson. >> that is right. and what was his first name? -- an what was his birthday? >>

. >> they could go back in a producer with quincy jones or someone that worked with michael, and get a long history of albums or singles coming out aer an artist has died. quite often they do quite well and there's a lot of interest in them. ♪ woman i can hardly express >> reporter: like this song. john lennon's "woman," released as a single one month after his tragic murder. ♪ sitting on the dock of the bay ♪ >> reporter: or this otis redding classic, that released just weeks after his death in a plane crash. ♪ sitting on the dock of the bay ♪ >> reporter: music that helps us remember those unforgettable names. ♪ take me to a place without no name ♪ >> reporter: you know, as great as it would be, chris, to hear another "billie jean" or "beat it," it would be amazing if somewhere in the vaults there was a michael jackson that told us something we never heard before. an acoustic statement. it would be interesting to hear if we'll hear something like that. >> there's such an appetite for insight. you're hoping there's something in the vault. some kind of redemption song. clearly, a pro

those rounds of gunfire were their way of demonstrating that they would take john quincy adams on againtried it again and the very same militia companies will become the core of support for andrew jackson in 1828. the insurrectionary impulse, this idea of insurrection, as a legitimate part of politics does go away. it goes away in the aftermath of the civil war, but it goes away in a particular way that should give us pause. the idea that the state should hold a monopoly on legitimate violence, and that the hallmark of citizenship -- that the hallmark of citizenship is obedience, and not the willingness to stand up against the government as necessary, did not come into american politics in 1877. the reaction to the trauma of the civil war, but largely it is response to the great strike of 1877, the nation's first labor uprising. it is fear that these striking workers, that gives revolution a bad name in american politics for the first time. in other words, it is the first stirrings of american anti-communism that drives the insurrectionary impulse out of american politics. now, my book,

access hollywood had a special episode and included this completely out of context tributfrom quincy jones' daughter who i don't know knew she was -- anyway, here's rasheeda jones. >> i have been bit by a monkey. when i was 10. surprisingly, it was michael jackson's monkey. bubbles. and i was petting the monkey and it got out of the cage and started going crazy and i tried to slow it down and i stuck my head -- i was hysterical, bleeding and hysterical. [ laughter ] >> so many wonderful memories, you know? meanwhile, michael's terrible father joe was on abc last night. he's convinced that foul play was at work in his son's death and he also says he never beat his son which is the opposite of what michael himself said. the good news though is he's talking about turning michael's kids into an act and taking them on tour. which they say is the best thing to do for children mourning the death of their father. letting joe jackson train another jackson family singing group is like letting michael vick train another dog. shouldn't happen. here's joe with chris connelly last night here on ab

. ♪ ♪ and kick back for an all- star musical lineup as the stars come out for quincy jones, the 75ththday celebration live at montreaux. in new york, jill dobson, fox news. jordin sparks is not the only former contestant. brook, you remember her? she's out with her new album called high hopes and heart breaks. you can pick up a five-disk set of michael jacon's songs called the collection. i bet that is going to sell. originally set to release to mark its hour -- his tour. >> was brooks the one that started over? yeah. >> remember she was the hairdresser? >> yeah, for the husband? >> yeah. >> and it grew long? >> right. >> she started and would never wear shoes? >> yeah. >> the folk singer. >>> a man with the d.c. connection is running it for d.c. council and admits having worked as a pimp. that is not his only run-in with the law. more on his controversial aspirations. >>> and handing -- to see what our guest chef is cooking up this morning. we'll be right back. >> what is cooking today has everything to do with sullivan steakhouse and the chef who is cooking us up a wonderful dish h

and certainly he was in a booth with quincy and the rest of the engineers listening to playbacks andinvolved. >> larry: did you have any idea or realize the impact that that would have? >> well, sort of, yeah. i mean, when you bring a group of entertainers together who have one specific intention, you have to have success. music rules the world, you know? >> larry: yeah, you're not kidding. what's the loss meant to you? >> in awful lot. michael was very, very special to me. and he was probably one of the sweetest, kindest, gentlest men that i've had the pleasure of knowing. and working with. >> larry: i thank you so much. dionne warwick. for more information about usa for africa and impact your world go to cnn.com/impact. to stay in tune with life after 50, i switched to a complete multivitamin with more. only one a day women's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration... plus support for bone and breast health. just what i need. one a day women's. you have questions. who can give you the financial advice you need? where will you find the stability and resources to kee

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his work with quincy jones, the way they lined up together and just made magic happen.his dancing, how natural he was. i was just watching "thriller" and i'm like, how many people can dance as good as the train dances in their own video? michael. janet. they can definitely do it. justin maybe. usher. there ain't too many of them. but definitely nobody like him, you know, who -- to today, these routines stand up. there's nothing like it. there's never been anything like it. but i think one of the beautiful things -- i mean, i hope that he's remembered for that beautiful spirit, that fun, mischievousness that you see in the "scream" video. i love that side of michael, when he's just being bad and just tricking somebody or running, you know, just doing something really funny, being playful. but also that he really cared about people. he seemed to always care all his life about other people. and as much as he was in front of the camera, it just didn't -- he didn't seem like the kind of person that would just take from someone or do someone wrong. he seemed like he genuinely

how are you doing, quincy?> reporter: their patients run the gamut from those with serious medical issues. you have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 -- you take 12 medications? >> yes. >> reporter: to others who receive preventive care. >> i want to just check, take a test to make sure everything is kosher, 'cause i haven't been to the hospital in years. >> reporter: this clinic has six doctors, all of them black. a remarkable number, given that blacks make up only four and a half percent of this country's physicians. but it's also critical because black men are more likely to trust a doctor who's black. for dr. pete thomas, the fight is personal, both his father and brother were victims of poor health care. his father died in 1989 after years of unregulated high blood pressure and his younger brother, juan, contracted hiv in the early '90s. the disis sees progressed and he passed away from aids in 2001. >> i thought to myself if i could choose a career that could help to address

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i also told you that i never imagined that i would write a song with quincy jones. ♪ i never dreamed in summer i thought you would go and come back home back home but i will not be standing alone you said you would be polite in autumn -- the light in autumn and then you would be the one to lead the way no i never dreamed in the summer now that my life has goneç away michael, why did i hear you say no more linying no more pretending that they will go when i go all those bleeding hearts they will go when i go when i have gone so long when i have gone so long they can never show their face here here ♪ ♪ [applause] [applause] >> i love you. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> we all know no one ever gave on stage like michael jackson. michael was also a true humanitarian who gave just as much off stage, as he did on stage. michael and his family came from humble roots and michael always cared deeply for those in need. beyond all of his records that he broke as a recording artist, michael even made the guinness book of world records for the most charities supported by p

john quincy adams referred to stephen douglas, he was little but one of the reasons for his comparative success is that the journalists everywhere compare him to a pugilist when he goes to speak. .. [applause] >> john satuffer is the chair of history of the university. he is the author of several books including the black parts of men which was the cowinner of the 2002 frederick douglass prize and runner-up for the lincoln price. for more information, visit johnstuafferbooks.org. >> in your book you argue modern conservatism was founded in the south. why? >> well, the reason i make that claim is i think often people talk about a southern strategy and capture of the south by the gop after the 1960's beginning with goldwater and then in mix since '72 election but i think in some ways the situation is the reverse that southerners played a key role in development of both, first in the conservative capture of the republican party itself, and then republican ascendance nationally. i think in certain ways a combination of southern segregationist politics and northern economic conservatism were

and even john quincy adams says at the time in his writings that this appears to be the hand of providence, a recognition that america was an exceptional place, that it had god's, god's attention. >> host: we are live on this independence day weekend from mount vernon, virginia, with revolutionary war historian john ferling, biographer of both washington and adams. our next telephone call for him is from fairfax -- i'm sorry, first up david in tulsa, oklahoma. go ahead, david. >> caller: hi, thank you for c-span. your previous e-mail kind of stole my question -- >> host: i'm sorry. >> caller: tulsa, oklahoma, and many of my colleagues do believe that the founding of the nation and george washington was prove den cial. so i'll go with a question, do you believe that -- what was, what was president washington's position on slavery, and did he believe that eventually that it would be taken care of before civil war? >> host: thank you very much. >> guest: i'm glad you asked that question. i cut a response short just before the break on the question of slavery. i think before the revolutionary

. >> so you had to really like -- >> i had to really be like the producer like quincy and just say, michaelnd we did it. we -- he had to really shake me into it and get me into working with him. and he's such a great guy and just knowing him from being a kid, you never would dream to be in the same room with such a great man. >> at the time he worked with you, he was already transformed, some wasaould say evolved, some would say deteriorate. what was the difference between the performer you remembered as a kid and the one you met? >> i don't think there is a difference. he is still had music in him, so my favorite song is "music in me." and when i met him, that's all i heard in my head was that song. >> could you feel, though, everything that he been through by that point? >> oh, yes. >> could you feel that in him? >> yes. you could feel it. i think for the last -- first four days of knowing that it's, you know, just was his in my eyes, every time i hear the song, it's like -- it's such a great, incredible guy to have a voice such as he singing the songs like that. >> it's so interesting. i

. >> john quincy adams. father had been president of the united states. bill clinton likes to show that one where he is shaking john kennedy's hands. john kennedy shook lots of people's hands. there is nothing special about bill clinton in that regard. bill clinton is dreams of this. in terms of i could really do this. okay. franklin roosevelt decides the way to get to the white house is to follow uncle ted's path. theodore roosevelt started out in new york legislature. that is what franklin is going to do. theodore then went to washington and became assistant secretary of the navy. that's what franklin roosevelt is going to do. theodore roosevelt came back to new york and was elected governor of new york. that's what franklin roosevelt is going to do. theodore roosevelt had six children. that's what franklin roosevelt is going to do. that is what he informed eleanor. [laughter] okay, now, oh i'm lecturing again i don't want to give away the whole story. i do have to tell you this really gets at crux of the personal story here because they do have six chi

mecca exclusively in john quincy adams career.e spent 17 years here in the house of representatives after serving as president and had a distinguished career, was an outspoken poets-- opponent of slavery and in many ways was somebody who foresaw of the disunion that was going to occur over that great subject, and he was just a stalwart on the subject. and he was a fierce defender of the constitution and american rights and of course defended, defended the black slaves who had been in the famous incident and john quincy adams took that case to the supreme court and prevailed in a year when nobody thought he could, so it is a fascinating story of john quincy adams and his time's presidential, and i think it is one of the few books ever written about that period of time in his life. a book that i just finished reading when i got here to the house is of course, the house historian's book about robert remini's book called the house, which is a short history of the house of representatives itself, which is the greatest institution and h

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in addition to thomas jefferson, james madison, james monroe, john quincy adams, dean atchison and henry kissinger, her predecessors also include able parker upsure and others. she's the 22nd secretary of state to serve in the u.s. senate, the 15th to hail from the great state of new york, the third woman and the first former first lady. and while i'm citing statistics, i thought i would also mention, in case anyone is interested, that no less than six secretaries of state have gone on to be president. [laughter] >> secretary clinton, it is a pleasure and it is an honor to welcome you here to the council on foreign relations. madam secretary, i trust you will not take it the wrong way when i say, break a leg. [laughter] [applause] >> oh, thank you very much, richard. and i am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. i have been often to, i guess, the mother ship in new york city, but it's good to have an outpost of the council right here down the street from the state department. we get a lot of advice from the council so this will mean i won't have as far to go to be told what we

he makes his way over to the biggest party animal in the room, john quincy adams. john quincy adams was not a party animal, but he liked to talk about these things. you do not see that in the picture. >> right, so many of his greatest works did not have his name attached. let's start with the young madison. this was somebody who remained, all his life, deeply rooted in his virginia -- gentry. how does that -- how did his virginia roots affect the intellectual character that he brings to the constitutional convention and his other great achievements. >> as is almost always the case, indeed very early years of everyone's life, it is not recorded with the same thoroughness. there's a lot the we do not know about his early years. certainly, going to princeton is a big move for him. however, a lot of virginians are doing that. i am going to say something controversial. his virginia roots prevent them from being the nationalist that he wishes to be. mainly, he goes into a very nationalist phase and we will talk about this. in the 79 is, and even through his presidency, h

especially those who remember the original recording after the grammy ceremony and quincy jones' famousry fitting tribute. >> it was really something that had not been done before. >> right. >> that many artists getting together at one time. >> exactly. again, it shows michael's legacy beyond music, that he was such a humanitarian. >> he co-wrote the song with lionel richie? >> exactly. >> the sheer scope of his humanitarian efforts were not well understood that he did publicly, but he put the united negro college fund at the top of his list of giving, is that right? >> yeah, most people don't realize that he contributed $300 million, $500 million privately to a lot of charities, including the uncf because he cared about african-american issues and global issues and i asked him about poverty worldwide and he got serious with me talking and that's why you hear it in the lyrics of his music. >> roland martin watching this as the procession starts to get close to the staples center. roland, you can hear the helicopters over us where we are just outside the staples center. usual thoughts? >

in addition to thomas jefferson, james madison, james monroe, john quincy adams, dean acheson, and henry kissinger, her illustrious predecessors all include able parker, and bainbridge colby. she is the 27 secretary of state to have shared the u.s. senate, the 15th from the great state of new york, the third woman, and the first former first lady. while i am citing statistics, of ottawa also mentioned it is i thought i would also mention that no less than six secretaries of state have gone on to be president. [applause] [laughter] secretary clayton, it is a pleasure and honor to welcome your to the council on foreign relations. madam secretary, i trust you will not take it the wrong way when i say, break a leg. [applause] >> thank you very much, richard. i am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. i have been often to the mother ship in new york city, but it is good to have an outpost of the council by here down the street from the state department. we get a lot of advice from the council, so this will mean i do not have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we

jefferson both new served on that committee to write the declaration, both died that day even john quincy adams says at the time in his writings that this appears to be the hand of providence, a recognition that america was an exceptional place and had it god's attention. >> host: we are live on this independence day weekend from melbourne in virginia with revolutionary war historian john ferling biographer of washington and adams. the next call is from tulsa oklahoma. >> caller: thank-you for c-span. the previous e-mail stole my question as i teach history and many of my colleagues do believe that the founding of the nation and george washington was providential so i will go with a question, do you believe, what was president washington's position on slavery? did he believe the eventually it would be taken care of before the civil war? >> guest: i am glad you asked that question broke i cut a response short-term just before the break on a question. i think before the revolutionary war, washington did not give very much thought to slavery at all. he was a slave owner and a number of his s

write the declaration and jefferson was the principal author, they both died that day and even john quincy adams says during the time of his writings it appears to be that and of providence the recognition that america was an exceptional place because ahead god's attention. >> host: real-life on this independence day weekend from mount vernon virginia with revolutionary war historian john ferling biographer of washington and adams. the next call from tulsa of oklahoma. >> caller: thank you c span's. the previous e-mail stole my question. many of my colleagues do relieve the founding of the nation and george washington was providential so i won't go with a question do you believe what was president washington's position on slavery? did he believe he eventually would be taking care of before the civil war? >> guest: i am glad you asked that question. i cut the response short just before the break. for the revolutionary war washington did not give very much thought to slavery at all. he was a sleeve up -- slave owner and his numbers were growing. there is no indication in any of his writings