and chancellor r orange rocha. i want to follow up. i had a similar question as president cook. so when you're talking about, you mentioned that with students of colour, being successful in the college level english and math, you've mentioned something, a third of students don't get through these classes, was that in the past or previous set-up or currently with the tutoring and the restructuring of programs? >> so here are basic stats. these stats are available on the state chancellor's website and i may be off by a point or two. but basically, a city college's overall graduation rate is about 55%. the way the state scores us, it means that 55% of our students, 55-100 graduate for degree in transfer within six years which, by the way, is all of the financial aid that is college student gets. so if you use up six years, you're done and you start going into debt, if you're lucky enough to transfer. so 55%. but give or take our api studentses, our african-american students and our latino students graduate at about a rate of 33%, 35%. so the difference between 35% and 55% is the 20