r. james woolsey and professor stephen cohen are back with us.ent spoke more forcefully today about the incident, calling it a tragedy of unspeakable proportions. what do you make of his response? >> well, it's not a tragedy, it's a killing. it's not like a hurricane that kills people. it's a successionist movement by nondemocratic people who want to set up a new state. and putin is helping them do that. and i think that it's really, you know, we had a civil war over succession, and the north was a democracy, and putin is in a similar situation in a way that is sponsoring the succession of the south in the american civil war. >> is this a war crime, do you think? >> well, i think what happened could be judged a war crime with individual incidents could be judge adwar crime with respect to killing all of the passengers on this plane as well as the other planes that putin's allies in ukraine have shot down. but those are individual incidents. as a general proposition we have here a successionist movement from a democracy, ukraine, that is backed by

r. james woolsey, former director of intelligence and colonel rick francona.k with me, fareed zakaria. >> today we have reports of drunken separatists piling the remains of people into trucks in an unceremony use fashion, removing them from the location. they are interfering with the evidence and the location. they have removed, we understand, some airplane parts. it is critical that this is a very, very critical moment for russia to step up publically and join in the effort in order to make sure there is a full-fledged investigation. we want the facts. >> this is going to be tough. fareed, to you first. the crash site still unsecured. people can't drive in it. you can just walk around, we are told. malaysian investigators have arrived. they are waiting for permission to get to the site. what needs to be done to get it to move faster. >> the most important thing is that this area needs to be taken away from the pro russian separatists. it needs to be placed under international supervision, international control. eventually you should go back to the ukraine gov