r. sowell: you mean the years before or afterwards? mr. lamb: afterwards. after you'd had the experience government? n the mr. sowell: it was not habit forming. here was a lot of double dealing and stuff going on. but by the time -- this is drafted and went into the marine corps. i came out, i went ack eventually to that job and now, i realize i had the gi bill back me up and i would now try to go to college. as a ever regarded that career thing. it was just something i would do. and it gave me a great deal of reedom because for one thing, there was a great example of freedom. the attorney days, general office had a unit that was is shally all essentially all black and it was presided over a white woman from georgia and they had rules, another unit, if you were late, you signed a t or tardy, but in the unit that i was in, if you were late, they an hour's annual it.ve, and you signed for but i was planning to leave when the time was right and i was going to turn in my annual leave for money. i was not about to sign for that frankly, them, quite not only was i