armath or r.e. lee. it's not close. numbers, numbers, numbers. go down not university cemetery here in c. ville and walk in the entrance and there's a confederate monument there, first one that went up in charlottesville, 1893, read the inscription on the front of it. fate denied them victory. fate. i'm going to tell you this right now. if you ever get in a contest where you know fate is against you, just throw in the towel right then. because if fate is against you, you are not going to emerge triumphant. that is a perfect loss cause message on the front of that monument in the uva cemetery where there are 1,000 confederate soldiers that died in the hospitals and uva during the war. it's not about slavery, we never could have won, there's a alternative reason. it's we almost won, but james long street undid lee at getties burg. we would have gone. one reason they think it's so important now is was confederates, they couldn't talk enough about it and argue enough about it in long street, that republican catholic grant-liking, lee-hating guy. he u