. >> larry: former afghan leader rabani has a counsel to negotiate with the taliban. the obvious question, is why are you reaching out to the taliban? is that not an acknowledgment that the taliban cannot be defeated militarily? >> the taliban, those of whom -- who are afghans and the sons of the afghans who have been driven to violence by various factors beyond their control and beyond ours caused by circumstances in afghanistan, we want them to come back to their country. they're like kids who have run away from the family. the family should try to bring them back and give them better discipline and incorporate them back into the family and the society. president rabani's chairmanship today of the peace council is exactly in that spirit. but those who are a part of al qaeda and the other terrorist networks who are id logically against us, who are working against afghanistan knowingly and with a purpose of hatred and enmity, those, of course, we have to work against. whether they're against afghanistan or al qaeda and the terrorist were against the united states or o