and rachael maddow, host of msnbc's "the rachael maddow show." plus, additional per specificives from around the country. bruce johnson, executive vice president of the chamber of commerce, and democratic governor bill ritter of colorado. >>> but first, making health care reform for the entire hour. welcome to our panel here. you know, the president wrote on the op-ed page is that this is a great debate for america right now. we want a civil and informative debate which is what i think we'll have this morning. i want to talk in a few minutes about three major areas of the health care debate. i want to talk about the anger, otion, fear that's out there. let me begin with you -- all of the town halls have to alter or derail the chance of reform this year? >> it's a good thing. it's drawn greater focus on the issue. president obama out there in places all over the country talking and setting the record straight. these are emotional issues. this is the noise of democracy. you ask 300 people what they should do about health care, you get a lot of good

rachael maddow, does the president fear some responsibility it will undermine his credibility when he claims -- if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. a lot of people have said, not really. employers could drop people from insurance if they wanted to move people to a public plan if that existed. it may be an aspiration, but they can't guarantee it. >> what he has suggested would guarantee it. i think what's happening, where the president has more responsibility is to give the congress more direction. i find it strange that the american people have decided there will be a lot more democrats in congress. democrats have a huge 60-seat majority in the senate. they have majorities on every other committee today. max baucus a member of the finance committee has a key role, they won't have the whole committee do it. three democrats and three republicans making the decision. one of the republicans is going around country and giving out glen beck's book and saying the plan will pull the plug on grandma -- senator grassley. for them to give up the majority deciding the way it'

. >> that report will be released on monday, and the rachael maddow show air nightly at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. >> immigrants would not be covered. that idea has never even been on the table. some are also saying coverage for abortion os would be mandated under reform. and as every credible person who looked into it has said, the there are no so-called death panels, an oh forcepsive notion to me and to the american people. e-mail joined by mike vicara. is there something happening there. >> we have lawmakers on both sides of the argument. what are they saying? they have to do with rumors and myths, right? >> it's not a good sign for the president. all this time he had a yid wroe address just two weeks ago where he knock dound what he called misleading information. they're driving the white house to distraction and they haven't gotten any better. it's unclear what the next arrow in their quiver is going to be. there's a lot of talk, of course, over the past week over abandoning that so-called public option. the senate certainly isn't in favor of it. at least there aren't enough votes i

. >>> we are back to continue our discussion on health care take armey, rachael maddow, tom daschle and tom coburn. as i mentioned, i want to get to the three most contentious issues in the debate. we're going to get to it all. we're going to try. there's a lot more to discuss even than just this. the first has to do with funding. how will the performance be expensive, $50 million without insurance. a price tag of $1 trillion to be able to do that. the chairman of the house ways and means committee. congressman, welcome. i want to take you to montana. this is a town hall debate that the president had. listen to randy rathy, what he had to say. >> max baucus, our senator, has been locked up in a dark room there for months now trying to come up with some money to pay for these programs and we keep getting the bull. that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. you're saving here, you're saving over there. going to take a little money there, take a little money there. you have no money. the only way to get that money is to raise our taxes. you said you woul