and rachel carson camelot and said no, it's not true. all these modern chemicals and so forth were actually doing terrible things. we were chirped process, but it blinded us to the negative side in the negative sides are terrible and we have to get off. and so, that is where environmentalism has been coming from. and if you have these different perspectives -- a lot of people mix them together into a practical day to day thinking. but if you go to the previous who actually take a full logic of these things, you get completely clashing views of the world and about what we should be doing in public policy in places like the interior department. and so the interior department, if it's economic religion we want to maximize progress and natural resources. we want to protect nature from obvious that things they have been doing, which as we know we can't get rid of all civilization, buouldt cry to minimize and restore it. the restoration, since we party went so much, restoration is one of the main parts of the environmental agenda. okay, i went