. >> dickerson: rachel carson is different than all these others. explain why she had to do kind of two jobs. >> rachel carson is the only woman in my book, the environmentalists whose environmental builder who did more than any one person to found the modern environmental movement by publishing "silent spring" in is the 62. fascinatings thing about her story in the context of other four very interesting driven men. is that she is the primary caretaker for her birth family all her life. for her parents, for her sisters and brothers -- sister and brother then for sister's kids then for sister's kids' kids. doing all that, government job, trying to write a book. in the late 1950s she's battling breast cancer while she's adopted her grand nephew at the age of 15. not sure she can beat the clock to finish a book that she knows is both dangerous and potentially really will rock the world. so her story, particularly female story, is a story of that very, very powerful kind of courage and grace in pursuit of something really important and decent. >> dicker

leaders that were made not born, each of these people was made, rachel carson the environmenta environmentalist, and the others, shackleton, i also want, i needed to reconstruct the making. last but not least each of these people like the people in all of your books stumbled into a worthy mission. either like douglas and slavery or they bumped into it. so, i wanted to reconstruct again to your point where your book, bob, how -- what is it like to move the bolder of goodness force ward on something big and good. >> dickerson: we'll take a quick break. we'll have lot more from our we'll have lot more from our book panel when we come back. stay with us. blah my main focus was to find a team of doctors. it's not just picking a surgeon, it's picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. visit cancercenter.com/breast ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ what we do every night is like something out of a strange dream. except that the next morning... it all makes sense. fedex powers global commerce with vast, far-reaching networks... deep knowledge of industries... and, yes... maybe a little magic. ♪ feel the power of

charlie: rachel carson is also in this. guest: she is my favorite. charlie: not because of gender.partly because she had breast cancer, and it killed her. she is out running the clock. all of your listeners will not know that she had metastasizing breast cancer, and she discovered it midway through the writing of silent spring, and she was writing something very dangerous and very important. her bravery, the fact that she is this why it, shy, retiring person, and the fact that she changed the world in that book and did her research so carefully and did it with such oure and she shattered myths about leadership. she is an introvert. she is a writer. you could argue she is more powerful and influential than many presidents. i have a special place in my heart because i have a sense of how really difficult this was due. charlie: she informed you as much as lincoln or any prius. -- or anybody else. then there is shackleton. we know the story because there is documentary about him. guest: i start the book with shackleton because it is so dramatic. i want people to keep reading. i start w

. >> rose: rachel carson is also in this list. >> she's my favorite. >> rose: not because of gender? >> no, because -- partly because she had breast cancer and it killed her. she's outrunning the clock. all your viewers an listeners won't know that he had metastasizing breast cancer and she discovered it midway through the writing of silent spring and knew she was on to something very powerful, dangerous and important and trying to outrace the clock. her brave ri, the fact that she's this quiet, shy, retiring person, charlie, i mean, and the fact that she changed the world in that book, that she did her homework so carefully, that she does it with such grace and dignity and that she shatters our myths, our current myths of that leadership. shshe's an introvert, a retiring person, a writer, and you can argue she's been more powerful and influential than many presidents. so i have a very special place in my heart for her and i have a sense of how difficult this was for her to do. >> rose: she informed your life as much as linker or anybody else? >> and her brave ricalls to me as much a

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