in mark bradford's, the rachel harrison's. when we are so close in time it is hard to grapple.art of our job is to challenge as much as it is to just celebrate. to test ideas, and put things out there. charlie: let's talk about the relationship between a museum and the city. we mention the high line. you said it was important to let the city and the street encroach. renzo: i think that is the reason why i called that place not a lobby -- well i'm italian. it is where everything is found. you are in the city. this is the place where the experience matters. this is where fear goes away. people meet people. they get together. it is about not being intimidating. it is about being accessible. this is the beginning. then, from there, you go up. you take your shoes off metaphorically of course. you enter a different world. the ground floor is public space. adam: and we have a free gallery in the public space. make whatever law -- whatever art in that level completely open to the public. it is a right, not a privilege. renzo: [indiscernible] charlie: like what? adam: education he we ha

susan: we saw rachel jackson also wearing the bonnet as we did with and harrison. was that city versus country? edna: that may have some big to do with it. with julia you see something very different. you see that beads in her hair. she had feathers in her hair from time to time. she dresses very differently. it is probably more cosmopolitan with some of the first ladies because of the urban influence and age as well. susan: and harrison was in her mid to late 60's. julia tyler? 24 years old. they left washington in 1845 and return to their home in virginia. how did that get its name? taylor: it got its name during one of john tyler's fights with the whuigs. they called him robin hood. they called their home sherwood forest to embrace that nickname. julia tyler embraced it as well. she had bows and arrows sewn on the caller of some of her clothes. guest: john tyler was born in charles city county. he purchased to this house at the end of his presidential term . he came down here once before he retired from the presidency he and julia were married. he said god and n

women's side of the fashion, question, edna medford, we saw rachel jackson also wearing the sort of head -- the bonnet as we did with anna harrison, was that city versus country, regional or were time's changing -- edna: that may have something to do with it.but when you see with julia tyler, something very different, you see the beads in her hair. she has feathers in her hair from time to time so she dresses very differently. it's probably more cosmopolitan with some of the first ladies because of the urban influence and age too. i think age does have something to do with it. susan: anna harrison was in her mid to late 60s. and julia tyler, 24 years old when she came into the job so brought young sensibility with her. they left washington in 1845 and returned to their home in the virginia tidewater area, the sherwood forest. by the way, how did it get its name? taylor: it got its name because during one of -- during one of john tyler's breaks with the whigs, he was referred to as robin hood. and so he embraced that and therefore called -- called their home sherwood forest and julia embraced it too. when she got there, she basica