can you just tell us, pat, who was rachel jackson in her early years before she met andrew jackson? >> rachel jackson was a member of one of the founding white families of tennessee. and they went on an epic journey in the midwinter of 1779, which they got on a flat boat, and they traveled a thousand miles to get to nashville all through this chain of rivers going through areas called the suck, the boiling pot. everything was terrible. so many people died. and when they finally got there, they never went back. she was part of that new generation that cut off the eastern seaboard and lived as pioneers. so that's who she was. she was a pioneer who lived in a log cabin like everybody else, lived in the forts who learned to do for themselves and to be very independent. a woman who couldn't handle a gun was just as useless as a man who couldn't sew. everybody had -- [laughter] to do everything. and so that's who she was. >> and she married relatively young, perhaps only -- not by our standards today, but that was a very unhappy first marriage. could you tell us about that as well? >> tha