professional organizer, rachel sager. >> my god. a shoe. was looking for this. >> were you. >> yes. i don't know where. here its the other one. >> who just so happens to be, a clinical social worker. >> i know your lack of attachment, your lack of trauma base add cumulation. this is not a hoarding situation. >> right. right. >> this is life situation. >> correct. >> exactly how do we end up look this? >> we don't know how to manage money properly. so when something is on sale we feel we might as the get it every single color. we have so much stuff. we don't do enough research before we make a purchase. we have so much stuff because -- because we are insecure. >> rachel sager is member of the national association of productivity. organizing professionals. part of the $1 billion industry helping the rest of us get the clutter inner lives, out of our lives. ellen delatt is president. >> she sees in our consumer society, the root of too much clulte clutter. i will find things in bagds that have not come out of the bag. thrill of the hunt. thril