>> well, you know, radek and i now end up in the same place, and i agree with radek, putin is a revisionistggressor and needs to be stopped. we'll never be able to replace history. we'll never be able to know whether things would have turned out differently had we proceeded with a strategy that led to the formal enlargement of nato only if necessary as opposed to putting the cart before the horse. and moving even while russia was still trying to figure out its future. me, you, radek, we're going to be debating this issue until the end of time, and we're never going to get an answer. but i do think what we are seeing here is a test case and that russia has invaded ukraine. the united states, its nato allies have made a decision not to go to war with russia over this issue. not enforcing a no-fly zone. they're not putting boots on the ground and there's an indication of a desire not to see this escalate, not to see world war iii over ukraine, if that's the case, why would we want to give a security guarantee to ukraine? there's a fundamental tension here that we need to resolve. but i do thin

arrogance, this cynicism, everything i remember, i remember the year 79, i am with my colleague pavel radekrower, a master of international sports class a member of the soviet union national team, i worked in the trade unions at the time, and we decided on the basis of the dobrotvor reservoir, there is a large reservoir in dobrotvor , to create a rowing school, for this it was necessary to bring and buy these boats, kayaks, canoes, and so on, and pavel went to riga, he called i was first there in koloriga, not far from dzintari, such a small town, and there is only one factory in the entire union that, uh, produced uh, these boats, and here we are, we got off the train, we go, we know that we have to get on some tram number and go somewhere on the outskirts of riga and we are all standing in a tram, er, there are two muscovites standing next to us, and they are talking loudly. russians know how to be russians, in trams, in trolleybuses, they can talk like that, er, in tallinn, i always knew that they were russians . that they could be heard for a whole block and this one i realized that we