lorna, rafael bardaji, you live in cities that are the hub of the delegit maization movement. what have you perceived? >> it's interesting. i'm not jewish. i come from a little village that is very unfriendly to any newcomer whatsoever, and i never knowingly knew a jewish person until i went to college, and so why am i a gentile atheist zionist? i say atheist in various circles. [laughter] because when i was starting out on my political journey when i first went to college, i met a group of young jewish students and nonjewish students who understood the secular root of zionism and the history rooted in the european left, and it made it permissible to me for somebody who wasn't too sure of her relationship in organized religion although i'm a woman of faith to actually understand the jewish people are that, a people, a nationhood, and that if i believed in my right as a national group of people of self-determination, i should therefore confer on the jews exactly the same right, and the problem is there's nothing that people understand that very, very simple, but crucial, politi

please take your seats and welcome to the stage lorna fitzsimons, rafael bardaji and allen. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen i would like to welcome you, those of you in the audience as well as those on our global webcast and those that will be viewing us on c-span two this session this morning. our session this morning is entitled, delegitimization, the global assault on israel. i am allard rich. i chaired a jc international relations commission and as i told the panelists the less i say in the more they say the more i think we will get out of this program. joining me for this panel today are gidi grinstein, rafael fitzsimons the executive director of the friends of israel initiative and from spain and from the u.k., lorna fitzsimons chief executive of bicom, the britain is ripped medications and research center. before we begin our discussion, we have a brief introductory video to help frame our discussion. >> delegitimization a word that is has come to signify their political media and ideological assault on israel's very right to exist. it is a campaign that predates t

please take your seats and welcome to the stage lorna fitzsimons, rafael bardaji and allen. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen i would like to welcome you, those of you in the audience as well as those on our global webcast and those that will be viewing us on c-span two this session this morning. our session this morning is entitled, delegitimization, the global assault on israel. i am allard rich. i chaired a jc international relations commission and as i told the panelists the less i say in the more they say the more i think we will get out of this program. joining me for this panel today are gidi grinstein, rafael fitzsimons the executive director of the friends of israel initiative and from spain and from the u.k., lorna fitzsimons chief executive of bicom, the britain is ripped medications and research center. before we begin our discussion, we have a brief introductory video to help frame our discussion. >> delegitimization a word that is has come to signify their political media and ideological assault on israel's very right to exist. it is a campaign that predates t