interesting, your point of what the good to do with rates in november or december, i actually think and rafe bostic atlanta fed president said yesterday that they do nothing in november and they let it settle in, i think 50 was aggressive in september, i was thinking 325 is going to be appropriate but the 50 basis point move in september may cause them to step back in november especially considering what we saw the cpi and ppi with a little bit higher in what bond yields are telling us they are moving in the opposite direction of what the fed says they're doing in terms of lowering rat rates. >> a great point, let's get into earnings from the big bangs on friday as louisville earnings for the third quarter. >> overall were looking for about a fiber through a 3% earnings growth from where was moving into this quarter which i fully expect is going to happen we seen revisions come down the whole thing has to come down. i don't think we get to be disappointed this quarter i think they will come in line but i think you going to set us up for a better fourth-quarter into interesting e-zine in early 2025