i don't mean rafiki go out there with a black panther speer. i'm saying, there is no easy equivalence between black anger in the '60s and your anger for having to do the right thing now. he failed to challenge white brothers and sisters. >> would you call trump a referendum on obama? >> no question about that, it's a referendum on obama, a reaction against obama and vengeance to have three yards as a preacher. >> you have to have three. >> we got to do it. >> the father, son and the holy ghost. >> how do you sustain your hope given what's in this text and what we're going-forwa through? >> i take howard thurmond seriously, the heat, the raw hide whip of the overseer. if our mothers and fathers could have imagined a different future, didn't know what a dangling participle was. but they understood who god was, i have to have enough humility to say let me genuflect at the alter of what they've gone through. i didn't care bears and lions, i can handle this giant over here. donald trump is bad, but he ain't the baddest man, the baddest thing we've c

. >> part of lion king where rafiki says to simba, what was that?t. >> was that from the past or future. >> i think -- >> sunday. >> that happened on sunday. so much happens that we watch the most amazing things go by in this white house. like that little guy. that little napoleon. >> we were talking about this. that sunday interview you said you went back and resaw the interview again. it was one of the most incredible things you've ever seen, where you have a guy, an unknown staffer in the senate, get on tv and say the powers of the president are not to be questioned. >> speaking on behalf of the president who praised the performance. >> right. >> okay. so i guess the point meacham made, we ought to really put some quotes around and take a look at. the only reason flynn is resigning, lies and discussions about sanctions with russia and improper behavior pertaining to our foreign policy became public. >> jon meacham. >> they were caught. >> is there ever -- can you remember any time that a president or his spokesman or spokeswoman has ever gone out