the 1st my guest is composer ragna zurich he was getting ready to perform at the jazz fest here in berlin he's got 3 new albums out that he released just an artist welcome darcey culture sure to be here in a moment i want to look at a clip of some of your visual arts because you're also a visual artist and before we do i'm curious to know if you have the same goals in both of these practices the visual art i mean music absolutely i mean i make make our music the music stuff is all about resonance the visual work is also about a resonance for creating a life force a spirituality that. has the possibility of really to give somebody else energy as well as well as myself so it's all about energy ok let's take a look this is from an exhibition you did in france is called constellation scores . ok so that was a 3 d. lithograph collage obviously look different with the glasses or you had on and it would take you were reading it like a music score very much of the graphic score in a graphic score tradition so it's something i enjoy to do and for this particular set of works the 3 d. there's been