the former governor has a stunner about president obama's chief of staff rahm emanuel. the former governor is right here to go on the record, but first, the tea party express is headed to where else? washington, d.c. griff jenkins is at stop 25 in troy, mich.. >> yes, today was a michigan day. it went to several cities. in one city, even bigger crowds. though whole day, i would say 10,000 people to 12,000 people turning out. as you can see, maybe it is because summer is over. the crowds gathering behind us -- this was held here, all of those folks, but no less excitement. the same sentiments we saw. here is a little look at what happened today. take a look. >> i am out here to get my country back, all right? that is what we are all year for. >> there are a lot of us who worked hard for our health insurance. we wanted left alone. >> i cannot vote, and i do not have a say? >> they say we are an angry mob. are we an angry mob? >> i just cannot let this rest. as you can see, all of these other people, they could not let it rest either. >> i do not trust anything run by the

he has a stunner about president obama's chief of staff rahm emanuel. the former governor is right here to go on the record. but first, the tea party express is going down the highway to where else,bdÑi but washington,? they were at stop 25 in troy, mich.. griff? >> yes, that is right, the 25th stop its started in jackson, and today$fk we get even bigger cro. the holiday, i would say 12,000 people were turning out. iÑkoçjgq?mx5>[ó. maybe it is because summer is over. people are back to school, back to work. it was held here. all of those folks have gone on, but no less excitement, the same sentiments we saw. here is and look at what happened today. take a look. ♪ u]>>rvsñ]i7ó i am out here to y country back, all right? that is what we are all here for. >> there are a lot of us who worked hard for our health insurance. we want it left alone. >> i cannot vote, and i do not have a say. >> they say we are an angry mob. am i an angry mob? >> i just could not let this rest. as you can see all of these other people, they could not let it rest either. >> i do

>> rahm emanuel i write in the book knew i want today the deal with matigan.e's the kind of guy, rough and tumble kind of guy who now how to get the deal done. >> mike: he knew about this. >> he had discussions, spoke to my chief of staff and was doing the right thing. he was trying to get a senator that they wanted, but he also was going to be part after process that would put 500,000 people to work, expand health care to 50,000, to 300,000 working families and a written guarantee mike, you'll like not to raise taxes. >> mike: that was the other end of the deal, the reason were you going to bring menendez and durbin and harry reid because they decided they wanted lisa matigan for the upcoming reelection to the senate. >> such a pleasure talking to you, mike, versus regular media they don't understand the intercassies of politics, you're a former governor and you understand how things work and you want to get things done and chicago is a different place in illinois than arkansas. >> mike: you have a reputation in chicago, rod about the politics. city. >> and i

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i am pleased to have rahm emanuel back on this program. welcome. >> rose: thank you, charlie. >> rose: good to see you at this table in new york city. >> nice to be at this table feels like old family times. >> rose: (laughs) yes, indeed. and three raipls have been right here. >> it's only fiting we're back. it's quiet again. the other two aren't here. rahm emanuel. raipl. >> tell me what the president wants to sty the u.n. and to the g-20 about his leadership and what he expects from the rest of the world. >> well, you know, i just left his speech at the united nations. obviously the major economies of the g-20 will be gathering in pittsburgh and that the challenges that we have today can only be met by moving together to solve them, whether that's from climate change, working on nonproliferation, nuclear disarmament, those are challenges that have to be collectively met. the united states commits to working with other countries in pursuit of those goals because they're common threats. we where it comes to our self-defense, obviously, we

rose: rahm emanuel for the hour, xt. captning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new rk city, thiss charlie rose. >>ose: we begin this evening with a look at the uted nations genel assembly sessio taking place here in new york. the were three major speeches today. his first address to the guantanamo everythinworld leaders, psident obama acknowledgeethat unilateralism perhaps was amistake. the president also called for a colltive response to major global probls. >> som of our actions have yielded progss. some have laid t ground work for progress in the future. but make no mistake, thiscannot soly be america's endeavo. those who used to chastise america for aing alonen the world reest k not now stand by and wait f america solve the world's problems alon. we have sought in word and deed a w era of engagent with the world. and now is the time for all of us to takeour share o responsibity for alobal response t global challges. now, if we are honestwith ourselves, we nd to admit that we are not living up that

carolina congressman james clyburn, a democrat, told wilson last week that rahm, referring to rahm emanuel's call to the white house chief of staff rahm emanuel to apologize to the president and suggesting that clyburn wants an apology to the lawmakers in the house. >> david, in the bigger picture, did congressman wilson's action embolden republicans fighting to defeat health care reform? congressman steve king of iowa has circulate adler to fellow house republicans urging them to come to wilson's defense. in part it reads, "we urge that you hold your ground against those who seek partisan advantage and reject all demand for additional redress. like you, we will not be muzzled." joining us live from capitol hill is the author of that letter, congressman stephen king of iowa. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> what is the core of why congressman wilson shouldn't apologize to members of congress, not the white house, not rahm emanuel, not president obama, but the members of congress? >> the central piece of this, it was the president that was speaking, it was the president

white house chief of staff rahm emanuel says it will be passed by thanksgiving, and the bill will bebipartisan, even if republicans do not vote for it. now, wait a second. how can it be bipartisan if republicans do not vote for it, too? joining us is the author of the book "catastrophe," dick morris. i meant what i said more by the way they were dressed and that acorn is just so ridiculous in falling for it, but they are certainly ambitious and have done it, and i have said my piece, and i apologize for it. all right, now, is there bill bipartisan? >> of course, it is not. there is a slight chance that one, olympia snowe, will sign it, and rahm emanuel said this will pass by thanksgiving, and i am not particularly shirt this turkey will pass by thanksgiving. -- i am not particularly shiure. greta: i guess he is thinking that if some republican ideas were in this bill, that would reflect by partisanship. >> you have to find out what rahm emanuel means by calling it bipartisan. the question is whether the people that are being gutted in this bill, the people who are being hit over the

wants to make his own decisions but i can't imagine there isn't that bit of a turmoil, because rahm emanuely sophisticated, knows congress very well and that's why he was brought on as chief of staff. >> last break. back with more right after this. >>> the president has a problem here, because there's going to it be high unployment well into the mid-term elections, and he and his party may bear the consequences of them. everyone thinks imports are the safe bet. well, everyone should know that chevy backs their quality with the best coverage in america, everyone must have missed that. it's forty thousand more miles than toyota and honda. everyone got some bad information. i think it's time for everyone to take another look. introducing the 60-day satisfaction guarantee. buy a new cvy and if you don't love it, we'll take it back. there has never been more reasons to look at chevy. alex, you are the sizzle. jo did the entire crossword. in pen sizzle joni, sizzle. rick refilled the paper in the copier. both trays. way to sizzle, rick. be the sizzle with mcdonald's sausage mcmuffin with egg -- s

why didn't i see his picture. >> rahm emanuel and bill clinton. >> that's fun y. saw rahm and i didn't notice -- >> you didn't notice the former president. >> 38 million people -- 54 million people have some small amount of dementia. i read that this morning. i thought there are times when i feel myself -- i feel myself slipping a little bit. >> did you watch the emmies last night? interesting, "mad men" winning again for best drama," "30 rock"" third straight years the best comedy. tina fey thanked them for keep it on the air even though viewership is not that high. "mad men" said they worked very hard not to have it stink. amy poler and julia lewis dreyfuss about how much people would watch tv. they said they were honored on the last year. >> did you see it? >> i didn't. >> couple of surprises. >> i don't know what any of this -- >> i know. coming up, top stories. if he builds it, will they buy it. tishman construction, his take on commercial real estate and more. on cnbc, first in business worldwide. >>> you're watching "squawk box" on cnbc, first in business wo

. >> host: onef the photographs in the book is the current white house chief o staff rahm emanuel and this from tony said would you please comment on obama's cheat the stephan is dual citizenship. i vot for obama. the nature of power attracts those who should not have it. >> guest: dual cizenship of rahm emanuel? it doesn't bother m >> host: the next call is john from sumpter south carolina. good morning. >> caller: good morning, good morning,ood morning. c-span i think you need to do a little better job. everybody opinions and this young ladyeeds to be on booktv, not c-span. let me make my comments. if she is so worried about this and worried about that, why the book? stating that hey, health care and all that other good sff, put it out and let the people vote on it instead going through all of these changes. if you don't like somebody that has been in office all these years and doing all this gre stuff, what the people vote on term limits. you are sitting there going on and on. put me on, let me voice my opinion. >> host: you are on right no and we appreciate it. did you have a ques

rahm emanuel did an interview, of course, with charlie rose and talked about the public option and didn't seem to optimistic. here it is. >> health care will be passed before the members go home for thanksgiving and it will not -- the legislative process is a place where both bodies get to contribute. >> and it will not have a public option teacher? >> i do think, you know -- >> can it pass with a public option teach snerp >> i think the senate is clear with the prospects there. that doesn't mean in the house they're not going to demand it. >> my interpretation of that sound cut, my friends, is that rahm emanuel is not very confident about passing a public option in the senate. not real sure what's going to happen in the house, but don't have the votes in the senate. i'm tired of being told we don't have the votes. we had an election. we've got barack obama in there. bottom line is, the lobbyist there is this 11th hour is winning this is what they are. and the republicans yesterday and the senate finance committee, heck, they wanted to buy more time. they wanted to delay the vote. chuck s

i think rahm emanuel may be, you know, flashing back to 1994, when in his first term, president clintona step back at the midterm elections. >> karl rove, of course, is now weighing in, brad, saying the way the white house handled the situation in new york was a little ham handed. but karl was known also, and maybe in some cases he didn't leave his fingerprints, but he was doing a lot of meddling in these races, wasn't he? >> well, i would -- >> yes. >> the word, meddling, i don't know, but influencing, yes. but you just mentioned a great point, norah -- >> but you need strong candidates in these states. and when the president runs for re-election, he needs strong elected democratic officials, right? >> he does. but when presidents start getting involved in primary races and picking and choosing candidates and taking away that which the voters have a right to say who their democratic choice is going to be, i think that could backfire in some instances. the voters don't want to be told who to vote for in a primary situation. >> james boyce and brad blakeman, great to see both of you. tam

he also called chief of staff rahm emanuel and apologized. but i have to think that, that's in his heart. it's an honest reaction. all of these congressional members had a copy of the president's speech tonight. they were ready for that. maxine waters joins us tonight. congresswoman, thanks for your time. >> delighted to be here. >> are you satisfied? did the president do what you wanted him to do? did he go far enough? >> the president hit a home run. he was forceful. he was barack obama the educator. he laid out the facts, he talked directly to the senior citizens to try to help allay their fears about the lies that had been told this them about death panels. he confronted it head on, and he laid out what it was, what the bill is and what it is not. he did a great job, and he talked about this business about government takeover. he dealt with that and he dealt with the cost and let people know that it would not be deficit spending. he did a complete and thorough and forceful job. >> he covered all bases? >> he covered all bases. >> it seeme

if he says to rahm emanuel or chicago political dialogue that they have inside the white house that hes not interested in acorn being brought under the spotlight of american media or congressional hearing, rahm emanuel has the ability to pass that message down through the grapevine to pelosi and nadler and others. that is how the system works. if you get real evidence of it, i can tell you there are a partisan organization and get out the vote for democrats. they are funded by america's taxpayers. i went their headquarters in new orleans, i took a picture of myself a huge obama poster at their national headquarters, obama for president will. they are 501 not for profit. >> gregg: and they are under investigation in 14 states, which is pretty amazing. yet, using taxpayer money for oh veteranly partisan reasons is a violation of federal law. representative steve king, keep in touch with us. thanks very much. >> thank you, gregg, i appreciate it. >> jamie: you saw how tens of thousands of people are speaking about what they are calling government spending that is out of control. also on h

last night white house chief of staff rahm emanuel announced a brand-new deadline.et's take a look. >> health care will be passed before the members go home for thanksgiving. the legislative process is a place where both sides get to contribute. sean: before the thanksgiving recess? that's not the song the democrats were singing this summer, remember this? >> if you don't szed deadlines in this town, things don't happen. >> we're still on schedule to do what we had planned to vote on this legislation before we leave for the august recess. >> before the august recess. >> sooner, rather than later, and hopefully in the next few days. >> before we go home for august recess. >> i'm not afraid of august. it's a month. >> by the end of august or the beginning of august -- >> i had said that i wanted to build a path before we left for the august recess. sean: first it was august. now it's thanksgiving. so what's next? maybe it's 49th of july. -- the fourth of july. sean: during the 2008 presidential election, pundits debated the extent of the media and the candidate and ho

by rahm emanuel, the chief of staff and former member of the house. they're looking at it politically, too, in terms of what they can explain and sell to increasingly rested democrats on the hill having doubts about it. to me, the most fascinating character could be hillary rodham clinton, outflanked in the democratic primaries by barack obama insisting the key war was afghanistan and not iraq. now she's sitting in the room while barack obama confronts the consequences of the way he ran the campaign. >> we'll be right back. with you and pat. pat, hold on there. i'll get back to you later on in the program. >>> let's bring in democratic senator bob casey of pennsylvania, member of the foreign relations committee. senator casey, are those the right questions? how many troops can we send over to afghanistan? more than the 68,000? if so, how long do we keep them there and what can they actually get done if they stay there a significant amount of time? >> well, chris, i think that there are a whole series of questions. those that you mentioned, but many mo

is it rahm emanuel? who? >> well, i think rahm emanuel drives an awful lot in that white house. obviously david axelrod, anita dunn who is the communications director and gibses who has the final call on a lot of those press questions about what interviews he's going to do and how much press time they're going to put on his schedule. i think they're making those decisions and they've been fairly coheeseive in doing that. all of them, i think, realize that they've got somebody with a lot of talent and they've got the moment they need that talent right now. and i will say that you know some of the frame of analysis has been that you know the president's health care initiative is in trouble and he's got to save it i think a lot of that has been fundamentally wrong. the president, they're not making it up when they say they're further along on this than anybody has been trying it in the past. you want to look at an unsuccessful legislative look at bill clinton on health care in '93 and '94 and george w. bush on social security a few areas ago, they are likely to get something, ing w

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rahm emanuel is going to force a bill through this congress by whatever means necessary. take advantage of the crisis, as he's called it and we're going to see a democratic bill, but it's not going to be very popular with the american people. >> the american people will have a chance to respond in the midterm elections next year and no doubt they will. let me switch gears, james and talk about hillary clinton for a minute, the secretary of state. there was an item on the weekly standard, by michael goldfarb saying this, there's been sources that say hillary clinton is considering stepping down as secretary of state and this fall in order to run for governor of new york. does that weekly standard report make any sense to you that she would give up being the secretary of state in order to try to become the governor of new york? >> i noted today i talked to a number of my friends and it's a chief of protocol, so if the secretary of state is leaving this fall, she's going to have a relatively short campaign there. look, the weekly standard is a fine publication, i don't know

this guy made a call to rahm emanuel and said i was told to make this call. >> it was accepted by thent. >> because the president is a bigger man than joe wilson, apparently. the house has rules. if he had done the very same thing to a member of congress, he would have been reprimanded by the house. he did it to the president of the united states. >> i don't think anybody would argue it wasn't bad form whatsoever. pete stark, speaking of bad form. where are we going here? let's take a look at an exchange between one of pete stark's constituents and the good congressman. >> mr. congressman, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. >> thank you, i wouldn't think of dignifying you by p erkeking on your leg. it wouldn't be worth wasting the urine. >> well, there's certainly a lofty standard being pursued by the house. what's your reaction to that one? >> it's different because it's in a town hall, but it's also a point that pete stark is one of the democratic members of congress who are going to cause a lot of trouble as the cram-down on a compromise bill on health care comes soon. h

but i tell you if you're rahm emanuel, the white house chief of staff, you want evens like this every day when you're in the middle of the health care debetter and you can sit there and talk about jobs and stimulus money and science research and talk about health care. it was striking to hear the president pivot to health care even though it shouldn't have been because the last two weeks have been dominated by international both events and foreign policy that we actually hadn't heard the president give a pitch for health care probably since the sunday morning interviews he did two sundays ago. but as you stated, all of washington is focused on health care and we just hadn't heard from the president in a while. >> we will talk about the international issues in a moment. >> we bring in john har woos wood harwood. you heard chuck say it was striking to see the president pivot to health care but after what we saw happen to the public option yesterday in the votes some might expect the president to be stronger as so much analysis out there says that the difference now is what he says regar

. >> is rahm emanuel the person to do this or does it take someone who is not there yet?anuel is a tough customer. he knows the hill. he could have been speaker someday. does he have that kind of grasp and attack or is he too big ro? is he too big city? i'm wondering if he can talk turkey to blanch lincoln. can he sit and talk db i'm not sure you can. i'm not sure i can. if you're a democrat and say, look, we have a common interest in success here. we have a president whose life is on the line as a political leader here. if he goes down and fails on his number one onnive he will be a failure. that's going to hurt the party. >> we'll all be failures. he will take down the party. to come to this point where we have a decisive margin in the house to have an actual 60-vote margin in the senate and then lose, no, it's got to be the president. i think it's brong. >> looks like we have paul kirk as the next senator from massachusetts. let's put that on the table. does the presence of 60 democrats make it more likely they'll go the usual route, get 60 democrats, maybe olympia sno

and that's the message from rahm emanuel. everyone thought at the beginning he would be bringing the blue dogs, the conservative moderate centrist members to the table, no. it's bringing the liberal left who is threatening all or nothing at this point to the table. and, in terms of timing, it is interesting, i think major is right, i think it's early. everyone thinks we are in this anxious end game now. but it's actually early. in speaking to democrats who are crafting the bill in the house, they are exasperated with the road ahead. it's just not the public option. you are talking about tax increases that haven't been decided on. tax increases that democratic members of the house don't want to vote on repeatedly like they did in the clinton administration. only to be used in commercials, only to be used in their primary and general election campaigns next year. they don't want to act before the senate does. they don't want to move on tax increases before the senate -- they see what the senate is doing. it's not just the publi

doesn't count because rahm emanuel isn't a member of the house anymore?ally this president? is there a racial connection to this? ma ruin o'dowd, wrote that no democrat ever shouted "w" when he was making a fake case for iraq. some people can't believe a black man is president and won't accept it. she says there is a racial overtone here. >> racial prejudice is often unconscious. it's hard to really quantify what's there and what's not there and what's conscious and what's not conscious. i'm sure that in joe wilson's mind, he was making a policy and an ideological statement and perhaps in an intemperate way. but he does come from a state where in recent times they've been having debates about whether to still fly the confederate fly over the state capitol. there are a lot of people in the black community, who feel -- not that there isn't a long tradition of heated rhetoric in american politics. but to go this far, and show that degree of disrespect that joe wilson, perhaps not consciously, not accepting the authority and legitimacy of a black president. >

and that's the message from rahm emanuel. everyone thought at the beginning he would be bringing the blue dogs, the conservative moderate centrist members to the table, no. it's bringing the liberal left who is threatening all or nothing at this point to the table. and, in terms of timing, it is interesting, i think major is right, i think it's early. everyone thinks we are in this anxious end game now. but it's actually early. in speaking to democrats who are crafting the bill in the house, they are exasperated with the road ahead. it's just not the public option. you are talking about tax increases that haven't been decided on. tax increases that democratic members of the house don't want to vote on repeatedly like they did in the clinton administration. only to be used in commercials, only to be used in their primary and general election campaigns next year. they don't want to act before the senate does. they don't want to move on tax increases before the senate -- they see what the senate is doing. it's not just the publi

chief of staff rahm emanuel accepted the apology on behalf of the president. he's talking with gop lawmakers to decide if wilson should be punished. wilson also released this statement. this evening i let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the president's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. while i disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. i extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility. one representative urged both parties in congress to work together to pass a health care plan. he gave the official republican response to the address. now boustany took aim at the public insurance option. >> the president had a chance tonight to take the government-run health care off the table. unfortunately, he didn't do it. i read the bill democrats passed through committee in july. it creates 53 new government bureaucracies, adds hundreds of billions to our national debt, and raises taxes on job creators by $600 billion. >> so we're doing some fact

>> if i had power, i would joe wilson's bank account to find out how much rahm emanuel paid him for this. this couldn't work out better. there the white house is saying, time is -- time for bickering is over and then all of a sudden, you hear at the town hall in the august. that's what the white house loves. the democrats in the house today on friday decided they're going to see if they could milk this for longer by officially rep manding congressman wilson who apologized but not on the floor. gwen: not with a lot of contrition. >> could you help clear up or the issue that he was shouting about, which is -- seems to be the one that is aroused by most passion on the right is will this cover illegal imgrants or not? >> it is not a simple answer. there is language in the various bills. there's not just one bill. saying no subsidy for illegal immigrants. fine. but the republican critics, including people like joe wilson say there's no verification in the bill. how do we know if we don't ask for proof of citizenship whether or not you get that. the answer to that is if you do these tax subsid

he called white house chief of staff rahm emanuel and admitted he was wrong. the president accepted that apology. let's move on. we can say that charlie rangel, democrats brushed his tax issues away and said let's not talk about that. you need to look at the speech and topic at hand which was health care. >> all right. joe? >> look, wilson has brought a problem on himself which is that now the constituents in his district in south carolina will have a better opportunity to judge whether he's fit to serve in congress anymore because his opponent has raised a lot of money overnight having $16,000 in the bank before and now is closing in on half a million. may be able to be a competitive candidate and that's the way it should be. >> go ahead, keith. >> the problem was he did apologize but he repeated the thing that we now know is untrue. fact check has looked at this. illegal immigrants would not be covered. it can't be clearer. >> let's go to the substance of this. go ahead, ron. >> that's not true at all. if luke at the congressional budget office that said the

david kay, so, you take those words from rahm emanuel and all the other words that were spoken at the u.n. and around the u.n. in the last few days, what's changed, if anything. >> i'm not sure very much has changed. i mean, what you... the most immediate change has been a new iranian diplomatic initiative of trying... offering up their scientists which has been a demand an the i.a.e.a. for years to talk to the iraqis... the iranian scientists directly, and they have refused. >> lehrer: that came in an interview with the "washington post." ahmadinejad said that. >> that's correct. and the second is he said he would like to have the u.s. supply him uranium for a reactor run at the university of tehran. that is reactor, incidentally, that the united states supplies in the mid-1960s and then it was fueled with high enriched uranium. these are, in my view, strat gems of engagement that will, in fact, over time make it very difficult to we... it's going to be hard not to pick up the offer to talk to iranian scientists. after all, at the depths of the cold war, this was one of the things we

and he was relaying the scores that the president was getting toanother white house aide, rahm emanuel, who was set up with a long-distance phone right in the cloakroom off the floor of the house of representatives. so when the president came off the podium, he could turn to rahm emanuel and say, "how did i do and there was the score. he did very well, by the way. c-span: do you think -- when the american people learn all this kind of, you know, things going on behind the scenes, what's their reaction going to be? >> guest: well, i don't know. when we wrote the book, what we did not wanto do was write another book -- there ve been a lot them -- that said "this system is really screwed up; there's no reason for you to think that it's going to be able to solve anyf the countrs problems." we wrote -- ended up writing about two failures, whh we didn't know. one was clinton's failure in '93-'94 to bring his health-care reform plan to the point where it could be voted on. the other was the republicans' failure 1995 -- because we rried the story forward till really the beginning of this year

we know rahm emanuel and his whole white house has been engaged. >> you think rahm emanuel has been advocating the intricacies of this, of course he's been. this has not happened in a vacuum. >> here's my option. i want to ask you, congresswoman schakowsky, you vote in the house, very impressive member. i want to ask you, if you had to choose in the end between a bill and no bill, what's better? >> i don't think i have to choose but i do believe we will have a bill. don't underestimate barack obama. he may be reaching out to the republicans but he has a steely spine. we're going to get a bill that's going to be a good bill, and i think with a public option. >> will the house pass a bill before the senate does, will the house pass a bill before the president says he's for a public option? what do you folks need to pass a bill with your majority in the house? what do you need to say to get it passed? >> i think as nancy pelosi said, that we're going to pass a bill and it's going to have a public option, and i think it would be good for the momentum of the whole bill for us to pass it right away.

rahm emanuel's made this clear from the start, since january, rahm emanuel has been saying publicly thet important thing is to get a bill. that's a bill with anything in it that involves the health care sector. it does not have to include the public option for the white house. that's -- that's actually been very clear from the beginning on this thing. remember, it has to pass the house twice. it has to pass the house once to get it into conference with the bill from the senate. and then it has to pass the house again in final passage. it might go through the house with a public option the first time if nancy pelosi feels that her troops demand that. but i don't see any way it will go through final passage with the public option. i have strong doubts that the house -- that even with the first passage that nancy pelosi will insist on the public option. >> we also keep hearing that the white house has been frustrated that the public option has gotten far too much attention in its opinion in this entire debate. how did they misread this? it seems that the public option is the hinge on which

governor rod blagojevich's book, "the governor," claims that president obama's chief of staff, rahm emanuel, was behind many of his problems. no comment from the white house. blagojevich says people urged him to appoint himself to fill barack obama's senate seat. but says it didn't feel right. >>> there's a medical mystery in tennessee this morning, with a mother desperate for answers. without warning, this 15-year-old ces tears of blood. the teenager says it happens at least three times a day. and can last a few minutes to an hour. the first time, his mom called 911. now, despite extensive tests, there's no diagnosis and no treatment. >> i thought that coming up, like a tear. i felt my eyes watering. sometimes it will burn as it comes out. >> the scariest thing in my life, is when he looked at me and said, mom, am i going to die? that broke my heart. >> tammy says he's running out of hope and will take her son anywhere for treatment. to make matters worse, he gets teased at school by kids who say he's possessed. >>> shock versus sweetness, could be the theme of a new ad campaign here in ne

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one, his chief of staff, rahm emanuel, is a man of the house. he's a pragmatist about getting house members elected. and a conservative district, he puts a conservative in there. the other thing is that obama has to understand that he -- his message has to change. he has to give something positive for democrats. and the republicans have been reflexibly saying no a don't have policy. chris: charlie cook talking about them losing 20 to 30 seats, could the democrats get the whack on the side of the head people don't say they like the republicans, they don't do anything, either. but they want to whack the democrats. >> i think they are definitely going to lose some seats. they're not going to lose the house but lose quite a few. chris: are you sure of that? >> i'm pretty sure of that. the problem is the house democrats are concerned because they walked the plank for nancy pelosi with cap and trade and have to go with health care, people are raising kane about it and they're in a terrible bind and want to be team players so i think you'll see a lot o

i amure rahm emanuel went right through the ro. and the prident's -- you kn the expreson he gets wn he is notlease? i am sur that is whate is doing. but this happens. just happens. sometimes, ile the administtion needs it,is bettern the long run. you investigate if it is low level leak somebody at the bottom othe poll trying to influence policy. this carly -- i do't have side information but its import is so great that you have to image that the generals themselves their top aides were concernedabout the action on this recoendation d make sure it got out. i cannot imagine that this w unknown tanybody in the high command. in a sense,t is not so much a leak, it is a challenge by the litary ainst the civilian commander, who, ironically, as we said, appointed the command and you did establish this strategy declaringt a war of th -- and who did establish a strategy decring it a war of necessity theilitary is sayi if that is true, what are y going to dide? >> i view it a little bit differently than that. i think that clearly, the pentago

he talked to the president's chief of staff, rahm emanuel, to issue his apology. but as i said, there was a lot of criticism and it wasn't just coming from democrats, it was coming from republicans as well. listen to this. >> totally disrespectful. no place for it in that setting or any other and he should apologize immediately. >> having a spirited debate is one thing. exercising bad manners is another. that was beyond the pail. >> reporter: that was the number three democrat in the house. and we spoke with him off-camera last night. he told us there are rules about how you behave on the house floor and actually democrats are looking into whether congressman wilson may have broken one of those rules. and if so, what type of sanctions there may be against him. we don't know what the answer is to that question at this hour, heidi. but what we do know is that this has been a windfall for rob miller, who you probably didn't know, really, who he was before, but he is the challenger to congressman joe wilson, coming up here in the next election, 2010 midterm elections.

and of course, his chief of staff, rahm emanuel, and others on his staff, the secretary of health and human services, they have all been very hands on trying to be helpful. and of course senator reid, his position is that he wants us to move ahead so that he can then take on this job of merging the two bills and bringing something to the floor. he is strongly in favor of accomplishing health care reform. >> what about cooperatives? >> i saw that her -- i saw that. senator conrad of north dakota has put that forward as an alternative to a strict public option. another way to bring competition into the health insurance marketplace. i think that depending on how it is implemented, it could be quite effective in bringing competition. as i say, my preference would be to do that type of public adopt rigid public option that we adopted in the help committee. but if we cannot get the votes to do that, at this idea of co- ops is certainly something to explore. it then serve the same purpose to a large extent. >> one more question. dollars over the course of these months when you have been havi

i am sure rahm emanuel went through the roof. you know the expression the president gets when he is not pleased? i am sure that is what he is doing. this happens. it just does happen. sometimes, while administration hates it, it is for the better in the long run >> you investigate it if it is a low- level week, someone at the bottom of the poll tried to influence policy. this clearly -- i do not have inside information, but its import is so great that you have to imagine it is the generals themselves or the top aides were concerned about the inaction on this recommendation who made sure it got out. i cannot imagine that this was unknown to anybody in the high command. in a sense, it is not so much a leak, it is a challenge by the military against the civilian commander, who, ironically, as we said, appointed as commander and who did establish this strategy declaring it a war of necessity. it is the military saying if all that is true, when are you going to decide? >> i feel a little bit differently. i do think that clearly, the p