ron emmanuel -- rahm emmanuel is intimately knowledgeable. joe biden has been a senator almost as long as i have been on life. he has been at the forefront of every major policy debate since the early 1970's. of course, obama has the least amount of experience, but nevertheless i think that gives them an ingrained sense of what is possible, what their limits are. we have seen a little friction, surprisingly little friction, i think that is in part because they're so sensitive to how congress operates and to the