i think i wouldn't say disappointed because that sounds as though they don't but it's it to rahul calamity for our country and for our continent meant that this disease didn't cilla tended bar so much discrimination so much stigma and also so much internalized shame twenty years off to medication become available a good fourteen years off to government started providing treatment so it's a great impediment continuing to our management of the epidemic. just as common people as you've alluded to in terms of the grounds that the world has made in terms of the medication people with hiv today can lead very normal and healthy lives and i just want to get your take on why do you think that it's taking so long to sort of steve bank or the the the sort of stigma that's associated with having a heavy. i think it's a deeply personal thing the shame of. sexual transmission i think it's that it's difficult to explain no other disease is attended by quite this amount of shame and internalize internal shown so it's hard to say and that's hard to do and also one must remember it took nearly fifty years i

rahul: sure.olding up well. the face of correction, which ifve seen in shipping rates, you look at the manufacturing data, china ppi, industry signaling at's deeper slowdown in the industrial complex. i think that starts whipping through to the consumer side of the market. haidi: in terms of the manufacturing slowdown, have we seen any indication -- it's hard -- but have we seen any indication whether we are bottoming out or remaining in contractually territory? rahul: sure. if you look at the shipping sector, iron ore, chinese dependent, will we are seeing is a smaller segment. slowdown is spreading beyond chinese shores. that's the concern for us. haidi: senior analyst rahul k appoor taking a look at the mixed picture with crucial for consumption, and of course logistics and travel. we're getting breaking news. another sharp contraction when it comes to building up evils in australia. novembers building approvals fell to the lowest in five years. these numbers coming to the bloomberg. we're seei

modi, had urged people to "stand like a wall" against what he called "the enemy" joining me now is rahulrms and strategic, in tactical terms it could help in the escalating the crisis, which is the worst crisis in nearly 20 years, but strategically it does not answer the two big questions that india has. one, it makes no mention of pakistan controlling militants within its own territory, the militants that carried out the attack a fortnight ago, and on the issue of a dialogue which imran khan wants from india, it is unlikely that the indian prime minister will accept an official dialogue on the basis of that for the last few years he has made it a very clear aspect of his policy that u nless very clear aspect of his policy that unless terrorism stops in pakistan there will be no dialogue. so it is unlikely that he will begin a dialogue on the basis of the release of the indian pilot. so on that basis, what would you expect to u nfold basis, what would you expect to unfold from here? there has been continuing violence in kashmir, but it has suddenly blown up into a much bigger issue as a