stephen pound what do you think a what would you call this, a raisi pac, a recon pac or con re. >> itly don't know. yeah. it's fascinating. what really interests me here is nigel farage. he's, you know, public school educated city trader, you know, living in the posh part of kent. and yet he seems to resonate with working people in a way that very few politicians actually do. he seems to have that ability to cut across. now, i was out canvassing yesterday in the rain and the snow in northolt. well, certainly the rain and the number of people who said, you know, he's talking our language. and yet you've got somebody who is genuinely from a working class background like keir starmer, doesn't seem to quite cut across so much. so are we talking about reform as a political game changer or nigel farage as a political game? what is reform without nigel? that is the key question. >> well, i don't know. i mean, reform have got some great people there. yusuf, who is quite. >> he's impressive. impressive. he was very impressive on question time the other day. >> lee anderson, he was very good.