>> i was fascinated by the fact that raj rajaratnam, this sri lankan street fighter had inspired the best. you would rajat gupta who went to the finest schools in india and i wanted to know what raj had that casted a spell over india's finest. >> don't you think it wasn't the brightest time to be telling the story? >> i think through the story you were able to tell the tale thof rise of the community because of the individuals involved in the case came off the immigration laws that were relaxed and did well in a short period of time. so you had the whole trajectory of the community. its highs and lows. >> i love the title. how did you hone in on that particular title? >> if i can start by saying we had many titles before this one. sun of the morning was the first and my favorite. it captured this idea of the indian-american elite that were caught up as being the best and brightest of india. not everybody knew the hymn from boarding school so that was cast aside. and then we played with two kings because raj was the king of health in a way. and raj was a different king. a king of thoug

we have talked a lot about rajat gupta and i'm curious to hear more about raj rajaratnam and his motivations and the dynamic of him and his family and also ramon rajat who is facing prosecution was going to happen there if you have any comment? >> raj rajat -- raj rajaratnam to use his own language would say i am a rogue. i am a rogue, yeah and i think that's what he was. he liked to push the envelope for her to he could. he liked to play people. there is this episode in the relationship between rajat and raj. it's the end of 2006 and rajat has arranged this high-interest loan for his friend and a consortium to buy a bank in south india. the loan is paid back in time and raj sends rajat an e-mail saying if the money doesn't arrive i'm canceling all further lunches regarding tosh capital which of course was the south asian money manager that rajat was trying to build. so raj had this you know keen sense of people. he was very street smart. he could do circles around the mckenzie men. in terms of roche's brother it's interesting to see that he is taking a very different approach from his broth

it was not as concrete as some of the other stuff involving raj rajaratnam which included wiretaps. bit of he said/she said, particularly with the main witness. but it's very circumstantial, and they're worried about this. so you remember, this is not a lay-up case. i think martoma's a little tighter, but still both of them have pled not guilty, both of them have very good lawyers, richard strauss berg, but the game plan for the fed is both of them do -- if it works out right, they both get convicted, they both go to jail, and at some point they both point the finger at cohen, and this means that the government still thinks cohen is guilty. that's is or sort of upshot her. lori: isn't there a statute of limitations on this thing? >> it's a great question. lori: when will this end in. >> i don't know. the statute of limitations depends on who you talk to. it's kind of squishy. there is a statute of limitations -- lori: if we have to wait for prison sentences for these other two -- >> well, at some point, it's not going to matter, it's not good, they still have to go to jail. the theo

: how much harder for the government to get convictions without tape recordings they had with raj rajaratnamt is harder. if you read some of the press accounts, i haven't gone to the trial. it is a lot of he said/she said. it sounds from the press that michael steinberg, it will be harder to convict him. reading press accounts and using that as aeter whether someone will get convicted or not is fool hardy. everybody i know in the courtroom that was reporting, a lot of reporting on martha stewart case she would get off. i will tell you off. i was in the courtroom. i didn't think she would get off. she did not get off. she got convicted obviously. it wasn't insider trading, but obstruction of justice. i take what you read in the papers with a grain of salt. if you read the papers and government is conceding, i'm talking to people in the government that this steinberg case is not the lay-up that they thought. if they have their wishful thinking that both steinberg and marm toma when he goes on trial for those drug trades, when he goes on trial next year and both face long prison terms and they