. >> for the -- >> so you where there for raja gupta but wrote a piece.kay. >> i had someone. >> let me ask very quickly, the wiretaps, the argument, october 24th if seems to be in chicago. >> there is no september 24th if wiretap. it is october 24th. it is not all wiretaps, just a phone call. >> the big one is extended and extended. it is difficult. and asking the question, what is your take on it in terms of what you heard. >> it is a panel of three judges, one of the judges is seen to be generally pro defense, my reporting of the judge. the other judge -- that is right. and the other judge is perot prosecution. jon newman -- jon newman, i think, really looked to john newman as being the wild card and because he is very intellectually rigorous and they came away disappointed by the questions he asked. >> awfully disappointed. >> sorry, next after that. >> i actually work for the 2002-2003 managing partners. just thinking of somebody who was at mackenzie and knowing a lot of colleagues there, the sense of betrayal of raja gupta is so acute is mind-boggli

a and not sure how that would have affected it to be honest with you. >> raja gupta. i am curious to see more from you about raj rajaratnam and his motivations and the dynamic of in and his family and all so raj rajaratnam who is now facing prosecution. what do you think is going to happen if you have any comment? >> raj rajaratnam to use his own words would say i am a rogue. i am a rogue. that is what he was. he liked to push the envelope wherever he could, like to play people there was this episode in a relationship between raja gupta and raj rajaratnam where at the end of 2006, raja arranged a high interest loan for his friend and they are part of a consortium to buy a bank in south india and the blown isn't paid back in time and raj rajaratnam sends raja an e-mail saying if money doesn't arrive i am canceling all further lungees regarding dodge capital which is south asian money manager raja was trying to build so raj was trying to build so raj rajaratnam had this keen sense of people, very street smart, he could do circles around the mackenzie men. and in terms o