back to raja krishnamoorthi. how do you see the criminal contempt process playing out with steve bannon? do you think he will be held in criminal contempt or could he run out the clock with court challenges? >> he will definitely try, but i agree with chairman schiff that now we have to move very quickly to refer this matter to the justice department. the one difference between now and what happened previously when the trump administration was in charge is now we actually have a justice department that is likely to take up the criminal referral. of course, mr. bannon is likely to challenge it in the courts, and that's why we have to hustle at this point before he tries to run out the clock. but one thing is for sure, that steve bannon, to the fact that he had a hand in masterminding january 6th or knew about what was going to happen and consulted with the president about it, needs to testify and needs to produce information to the committee, because the american people want to know the truth about january 6th. >>