for instance, martin luther king versus ralph abernathy. maybe you don't look at it quite that way, but what was their relationship? >> guest: very, very close. no secrets from one another. but there was an undercurrent of jealousy from the abernathy because he had been with dr. king all along. he had an amazing hold over the audience. he was a very, get a gifted teacher, but he resented dr. king's sophistication and he was kind of star for status, as many black people were during that period to the point that he made incidents and became a burden for dr. king to carry. yvette the nobel peace prize ceremony come abernathy refused to get in the second limousine according to pravachol, when all of the nobel officials were lined up there and mortified not only dr. king but a lot of the people with him, so there were conflicts there. this is a very classical kind of ego conflict that the ralph abernathy wanted to be so sophisticated as dr. king. so there's a don quixote-snacho quality there. c-span: and when he sat in that chair right before he

>> i ron ackley if you study history, three of the leading movement, ralph abernathy and my father all have lives in alabama. how ironic is that. my mother didn't know one leader after that. she no one was much younger but they didn't know, you know, that kind of stuff and it just brought it all together. and so, growing up there in rural alabama with a father who was an entrepreneur early on and he called lumber and he did open an assault mel by a white gentleman. the father's determination to stand up to justice and continue to move to really influenced her and that produced a lot of the leaders in the nation. missionaries came and educated the reactive and why am i here driven by the fact they got to college in a yellow springs ohio she was involved in the naacp progressive political party and the peace movement and was involved in the peace movement well in advance of that. estimate the public image of your mother is behind the scenes , quite yet -- what was she like as a person? >> she was very mission driven and the thing i like to say most is on the conventional level she used t

>> guest: ironically if you study history three of the leading persons in the movement ralph abernathy and my father i'll had wives from carrie county alabama. how ironic is that and mom did not know of one data abernathy. when the movement started they didn't know about them marrying different men in all of that kind of stuff and have brought it all together. and so growing up there in rural alabama with the father who was an entrepreneur or entrepreneur or leon and unheard of as an african-american had his own truck. he hauled lumber. he did open a sawmill and it was burned down by a white gentleman he hired. he would not let that stop them. implements a separate father's determination to stand up to injustice and continue to move ahead with courage really influenced her. then she went on to a school called lincoln school that produced a lot of socially active leaders in our nation. missionaries came and educated children to become more socially minded, to think about the world they lived in. that began the early activism inherent piqued her interest in why am i here and what is my p