doing combat with lousy metaphor but when i was in law school i thought of ralph nader as a hero he and the nader raiders have done all these amazing things creating all these laws we all rely on we just think of them as being there the clean air and clean water act the fact that we have the ministry of procedure act so if we think there's an arbitrary decision every citizen has the right to appeal the decisions the government the sunshine act all the openness rules food safety rules and drug safety rules all these great things that i got out of law school and i started working for public citizen it's great it's the people's lobby people need to and that's what i was going to go do lawyers litigators researchers economists. and i was about a year into it working on food safety one of the things that we fought for for years and i was at a hearing and a congressman said to the industry guy you're going to have to clean up your act we're going to stronger policies and the guys said good and pass it but you can't do that under the current trade rules and i thought wait a minute i've studied

i'm ralph nader. together, we welcome you to the fourth debate in a series known as debating taboos. the website is debatingtaboos.com. covered the subject of mandatory voting. wall street speculation tax in the issue of presidential war crimes. today, on the subject of taboos it seems to never go ways. all societies have them. for our purposes, they are defined as subjects not normally discussed in the electoral, political, or mass media arenas. historically, they block the flow of information and viewpoints allowing to confront a series of significance. whenever taboos are replaced with open discussion, the resulting freedom of speech is likely to bring on improvements in the conditions camouflaged by the taboo. we saw this in our road history when slavery was taboo and public discussion on women's rights to vote, toxic pollutants in the workplace and, in my place, on safety engineering and the lack thereof. today, the question is if there is a double standard in the response to a anti-semitism when

i'm going to raise this with ralph nader. yes, ralph nader, who is ready to roar. 8:00 p.m.n fox business network. hear why he is angry at republicans and democrats, for

i'm going to raise this with ralph nader. yes, ralph nader, who is ready to roar. 8:00 p.m.n fox business network. hear why he is angry at republicans and democrats, for whistling past the graveyard. and they don't even know that they, themselves, are dead. ralph unleashed on the network that no one comes close to. fox business. we mean business. we mean you. see you at 8:00. >> eric: hello, everybody. i'm eric bolling, with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, dana perino, greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new yor city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: well, there he is. just hours ago, president obama deplaning air force one, our $85 million air force one. as he kicked off his betting on america bus tour today. but with only 125 days left in his term and the race too close to call. mr. cool, starting to sweat the campaign. but those of us who didn't get a ticket to ride aboard the obama bus, don't worry, you are always welcome on "the five" ride. welcome on, buckle up. a lot of stops. first stop, mitt romney. it's a tax already. >> the majority of the courts said it's a tax. therefore

you can blame out gore or ralph nader or george bush, but i blame bill. i just do. i think he squandered his presidency the night that woman delivered that pizza to him. we would not be where we are. there would be a lot of people that are not. he broke my heart. i believe that he was the guy. i thought we have finally got a president. and then it turned out we did not. it broke my heart. tavis: we were talking about the other president. the handsome guy. there is a wonderful essay about being an intern. >> i was an intern in the kennedy white house. it was a disappointing experience. i do not know how to put it. tavis: is that because he did or did not hit on you? >> he did not hit on me. and he hit on virtually everyone he ever met. i am starting to feel more and more hurt about this, and a couple of years ago when yet another intern surfaced who had had a fling with him, i thought, well, this is ridiculous. tavis: there is one time at that kennedy was speaking to you, and you could not hear him because of the helicopter. maybe he was speaking to you then. >> i wi

well, the corvair's them advertise ralph nader had certainly left his mark. >> ralph nader got 95,000e of florida that year. had nader not been on the ballot i think it's a solid argument that most of those 95,000 votes or a good percentage of them would have gone to al gore. >> reporter: can al gore blame the corvair for losing the white house. >> al gore can blame the corvair for losing the white house. >> reporter: there's more to his car culture list. some you might agree with. some not so much. what you won't find is the camaro, the t-bird, or even the '57 chevy. ♪ hit the road, jack >> reporter: so, let the debate begin. after all, your most influential car could have been a gremlin. although you probably won't brag too much about that. ♪ don't you come back no more >> i didn't understand you ♪ ♪ don't you come back no more >> osgood: next, when charles married diana. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. and it's steroid

. >> of the question was on the scholar citizen ralph nader. i think that he's done enormous things as a citizen. i think the public citizen. he said major impacts. i sent him a box of these books. [laughter] and he said i'm going to give them to my friends and i said thank you very much. so, i saw him three weeks ago. yes, sir. >> how can we be less passive and bush v. gore -- >> on the first point i can't help you. on the second point, the answer is a constitutional amendment. you cannot get around these rulings. okay we will declare it unconstitutional. you do anything to clear it unconstitutional. you could do something that had genuine public financing. but that preferred approach would be a constitutional amendment that says as i pointed out the federal government may limit federal state and local government may limit what the spending power is on the political campaign. that is the key. it's not like when you do constitutional amendment it has to pass the congress then goes through the state's three-quarters of the states have to do it.

. >>> ralph nader says, quote, kourg democrats could face defeat if they don't stand up to the republicansthe fall election. >>> former new mexico governor gary johnson is the libertarian candidate in the 2012 election. he says his magic number is 15 as in one-five, the percentage required in national polls to be included next fall. >>> barney frank married his long-time partner jim ready saturday evening. the outgoing representative is the first member of congress to marry a partner of the same sex. congratulations. >>> outspoken musician and conservative ted nugent blasted supreme court justice john roberts as a, quote, turn colt, for his recent health care ruling. he added it might have been better if the south won the civil war. that is your morning's dish of scrambled politics. >>> now here is your first look at u how wall street will kick off the day. the dow opens at 12,772 after dropping 124 points on friday. the s&p stumbled 12 while the nasdaq sank 38. taking a look at overseas trading this morning, in tokyo the nikkei shot down 123 points, while in hong kong the hang seng plumme

ralph nader wrote a piece against that, wrote a whole book about how that's ridiculous and ripping off consumers. let people who meet basic safety conditions ship whatever they want, wherever they want. and let people decide what they want to pay for it. and we abolish the icc. in some areas, america is very much accepted your argument. i think on life and death decisions like the draft, it's a harder sell. and a decision like immigration legalization is somewhere in between. >> i'm going to go to another reading. we can come back to this. one of readings we had was bronson. he talks about the idea of what true progress is and the only legitimate justification for war against southern independence. i think that he also suggests that the founders build something better than they knew. that's a direct quote. build something better than they even knew. for bronson, i think the war is only justified insofar as it seeks to sustain ethno-ideology of the nation. if the ethno-ideology is not being sustained, then he thinks war is justifiable. that's something i want you to take away from this.

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in 2008 they liked those candidates n 2004, al gore would have run the election had ralph nader voters gone for him in new hampshire, forgetting florida. didn't matter nader only got 2.7 nationwide. his voters got more than enough votes to make up that margin between bush and gore. florida, i don't need go back over. in 2008, it is more forgot. in north carolina that obama victory margin smaller than the number of people that voted for bob barr. you have gary johnson running as libertarian, hard to class, if i was a republican governor, very well known in new mexico, polling 7 there. if his numbers hold up tough that, tough for mitt romney to compete in the state. the voters didn't like either candidate, going for the libertarian might have made it easier for obama to win these place. >> who do you think gary johnson pulls from? >> you notice, the conservative blogosphere, more stories about johnson's liberal position. johnson said this week that noncitizens, guest workers should have social security cards. they bumped up that. he wants to balance the budget next year with enormous cut

. >> that was howard zinn talking about why people should vote for john kerry over ralph nader in 2004jill stein? >> that was then and this is now. let me say i think the last four years have been quite instructive to people, really the last 10 years there have been these campaigns of fear that we need to silence ourselves politically, that we dare not stand up for what we believe and for the solutions we desperately need. and a lot of progressives plotting to that over the last decade, and was all third-party politics really shrink -- and we saw third-party politics shrink significantly. but now we have 10 years' experience. looking back, people are quite clear -- or should we say this is a big white that moment that political silence has not been ineffective -- has not been an effective way. the attack on civil liberties, the expanding so-called free trade agreements that offshore our jobs and undermine wages here at home, the meltdown of the climate, the map of wall streetmassive wall street bailo. we are saying it is time to replace the politics of fear with the politics of carriag

a quick reminder that that chant began with ralph nader, who to his credit, leaned into the microphone and said, "go, we, go." it is my incredible privilege to introduce one of our good friends, somebody that we have worked along with in building the green party, building the movement. >> when i think of ben, i think of all the hard work that is done behind the scenes. people do not understand how much he has done in his short lifetime because he is a very young man, to help bring us to this point, to help build this party, to help us win ballot access in every state. ladies and gentlemen, the campaign manager of the jill stein campaign. [applause] >> that is quite an honor. i love the green party. [applause] you are not supposed to be here. you are not supposed to be here. it is supposed to be too hard to build an independent party. too hard. i travel all over the country where co i was-chair with -- co- chair with anita. i have seen this party grow. i have been a member of this party for 22 years. today in wisconsin, there is a young woman who is the child of d.c. statehood green who

ralph nader gave us george bush by a measly 537 votes in florida. sidelining yourself in this election could cause history to repeat itself. need proof? check out this latest poll from the crucial swing state of virginia. it has president obama and mitt romney tied at 44%. the same poll in march had president obama leading mitt romney by 8 points, 50 to 42. what makes the poll numbers even scarier is that president obama has poured big money into virginia. his team has spent about $12.5 million since may. romney and his backers have only doled out about $10.8 million. so we all need to wake up, folks! to quote mitt romney, this ain't beanbag. joining me tonight is bill burton. bill is a senior strategist with priorities u.s.a. action. he runs the thing. it is a super pac that supports president obama. you all know back inside "the war room." glad to have you here in person in san francisco. >> thanks for having me. >> jennifer: you bet. we want to -- this is a group of watchers this stuff back and forth. so i don'tto getalking points or anything. ju