political reporting "render to god and trump" ralph reed calls for 2020, obedience to trump. while the title has since been changed, the controversy persists. joining me now to exclusively respond is ralph rita. this is obviously a ploy by you to send heads blowing off of the liberal body is, just so you get publicity for your book. can you just forget that right t now? >> i wish i could claim to be that smart but all i was doing was referencing christ's teaching in the book of matthew when it was actually one of the last parables he told before his arrest and crucifixions when the pharisee tried to trick him by asking him if and occupied judeo and samaria should pay taxes to occupy to caesar and said render to god what is gods and caesar what is caesar's. my point in the modern play is - -- >> laura: if anyone can -- it's not that hard to follow. ralph reed is an evangelical person. >> only the liberal media could take a teaching of christ in which he says your life, your heart and your soul to god and twist that into me telling people to be obedient to trump. but i'm urging

joining me now exclusively to respond is ralph reed. this is obviously a ploy by you to send heads blowing off of the liberal bodies just so you get publicity for your book. can you just admit that right now? >> i wish i could claim to be that smart but all i was doing was referencing christ's teaching in the book of matthew when it was actually one of the last parables he told before hii arrest and crucifixion when the pharisees tried to trick him by asking him if jews in occupied judeo and samaria should pay taxes to caesar and said render to god what is god's and caesar what is caesar's. my point in the modern play is -- >> laura: if anyone can -- it's not that hard to follow. we only bring it up because people want to slam you. this is the goal. >> only the liberal media could take a teaching of christ in which he says your life, your heart and your soul to god and twist that into me telling people to be obedient to trump. but i'm urging them to do,nd laura, is to be obedient to the scriptural call to advance the good and resist evi

politico reports that was the initial but band ownabandoned t a book by ralph reed.plans to argue that even evangelicals have a moral responsibility to back trump in 2020 and to prevent him from, quote, the stridently anti-semitic left. joining me is the reporter who wrote the story and matt gorman, a former aide to both jeb bush and mitt romney. gabby, let me start with you, because you report that the original title of ralph reed's book was going to be called "render to god and trump," which is a reference to folks who grew up spending a fair a time in the baptist church, that's a reference to matthew. in the bible it says render to caesar the things that are caesar's and to god the things that are gods. what is the significance of that verse in particular? >> well, that's the basis of the entire argument that ralph reed is trying to make in this book. as you mentioned, he is supposed to be persuasively argue that voters who supported trump in 2016 have a moral obligation to do that again. the bible verse says to render unto caesar what is caesar's and to god what

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if you look back, what is in the 80s, we had the rise of ralph reed and the christian coalition and eventually we moved back to the center and started dealing with religion as though it had its body in its place and now again we have swung to making people feel like they have no voice and religion is going to dominate their lives. the only way we can beat any of this is to put the right people in office. the louder the microphone, the bigger the voice, the more we have these concerns. i know exactly what you are talking about and if we want to stop it we know what we must do and we shouldn't make people feel they can't have their own religion. i never felt like that. i always believed people embrace me for who i am but i do not try -- people who believe something different and we are not a tolerant society anymore. you can see it every day. >> our framers and our forebears, i am sure they had some support. i was just reading about edith wilson when woodrow wilson had a stroke, carried out affairs of government. cokie roberts past -- i thought that was another great book to read. we don't hear

"politico" is coming out with a report on one of the nations most popular conservatives, ralph reed,nd his new book that will come out before the 2020 general election. here is what "politico" had to .ay about ralph reed posit book host: let's actually go to some of our tweets that are coming in about this topic this morning. here is one of our texts, it comes from amy in richmond, virginia. she writes -- host: once again, the question is, should evangelicals continue to back president trump? republicans, your number is (202) 748-8001. democrats, your number is (202) 748-8000. independents, your number is (202) 748-8002. evangelicals, there is a special line for you this morning, (202) 748-0003. let's see if we can get some more calls and before the our end's. michael, ohio, independent line. michael, good morning. good morning. host: go ahead, michael. caller: good morning. , i justant to say that want to say that i listened to everybody who has talked and it's just hard to believe, to hear what i'm hearing. good morning. caller: michael, go ahead, we can hear you. host: yes, go ahe

if you look back, what is in the 80s, we had the rise of ralph reed and the christian coalition and eventually we moved back to the center and started dealing with religion as though it had its body in its place and now again we have swung to making people feel like they have no voice and religion is going to dominate their lives. the only way we can beat any of this is to put the right people in office. the louder the microphone, the bigger the voice, the more we have these concerns. i know exactly what you are talking about and if we want to stop it we know what we must do and we shouldn't make people feel they can't have their own religion. i never felt like that. i always believed people embrace me for who i am but i do not try -- people who believe something different and we are not a tolerant society anymore. you can see it every day. >> our framers and our forebears, i am sure they had some support. i was just reading about edith wilson when woodrow wilson had a stroke, carried out affairs of government. cokie roberts past -- i thought that was another great book to read. we don't hear