your book that ralph reid was on the airplane with you and it was eight passenger private jet. who flew you over there to scotland. >> jack abramoff. >> what year was this? >> 2002. >> has this been cleaned up here in this town? you remember this picture, think that's jack abramoff's son there in the front. >> probably. you do a fundraiser you probably do. >> how availabler planes to you when you were chairman of the administration committee? >> one point incident to make about this trip, the trip was underreported. the trip did not turn out as we had listed it would. didn't meet with people we were suppose to. should have wrote a check for the trip. tom from florida got in trouble for the same trip. as far as this trip we didn't even know, particularly it was still fuzzy who paid for it. chairman of the house administration committee, i could confiscate department say fire up the jets i want to go to scotland and i want to meet with so and so and by the way i want to say three days and golf. i can do that. my one argument about this trip i would make is this, jack abramoff kno

>> you have ralph reid's group mobilizing the masseses.e christians, a million in his group but more across the country. facebook. they are upset at a&e for pulling the plug or suspending phil robertson now. this is bigger than just ralph reid's group and facebook tweets and posts. this is a frustration that's been building a long time with evangelical christians. we saw it with chik-fil-a, the owner in support of traditional marriage. here we go again. don't mess with "duck dynasty" and christians. bad line to cross here. >> evangelical christians are just short of 100 million in the country. we saw it after chik-fil-a. they are not the most powerful lobbying group. >> that's a great point. i talked to mike huckabee. i remember him talking about the chick-fil-a episode. he said we needed a voter registration drive there. that was the situation there as well. 85 million evangelicalses in the country, roughly. only half are registered to vote. of those 40 million now registered, only half of those are actually voting. so, look. this is a ga

and you can have ralph reid, like he did the other day, say that dr. king's whole career was about saying that it's only the content of your character and that it was a movement about families and not about politics and public change when anybody who's studied martin luther king's career for five minutes knows that i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its greed delivered on, you know, on the mall. he came to the mall to do that. this is about our public purpose. so to say that, you know, that he's, that he's an anti-government person too, um, is preposterous. but that's what happens when you -- we and they reduce everything to sound bites. the stories are key. you have to pick the right stories that people relate to. one of the reasons that i was obsessed to try to put down a storytelling record of this whole period is that storytelling things, things that are human are harder to refute. that's why we are all eternally grateful that in the depression that the roosevelt administration took those oral hist