my first guest this evening is ralph schollhammer , an academic and schollhammer, an academic and politicalo political commentator, to contemplate the implications . contemplate the implications. and ralph hopefully joins me now down the line. are you there, ralph? >> i am there. can you hear me? meal? >> i can. i could do a little bit more volume on ralph. if someone can turn ralph up a little bit. uh, ralph, what do you think the result means? the result for the pvpve result means for the imminent future of the netherlands ? the netherlands? >> well, i think for the netherlands it's probably going to be now a significant number of months where they try to form a government. it is not yet clear if god wilders will pull off becoming prime minister because he needs the cooperation with at least 3 to 4 other parties. but what is really crucial is that this is the first time in a western european country, as opposed to right wing populist party came in first after italy slightly different. so as we would say, the dykes have broken. and i think this is the real significant event that is going o

university, ralph schollhammer. mr schollhammer, thank you very much us today .oining us today. i appreciate your time. could you just explain a little bit about what i mean, this what has happened? i mean, this to it seems sort to us over here, it seems sort of a surprise, but of like a bit of a surprise, but from i'm hearing dutch from what i'm hearing from dutch friends, expected result. friends, it was expected result. >> well , thank you so much for >> well, thank you so much for having me. i do think it still is a little bit a surprise is a little bit of a surprise because if we look polls because if we look at the polls until result was until october, a good result was to be expected for geert wilders i >> -- >> but such lama >> but such a result >> expected. a result definitely) be expected. so that definitely is effect of the is an aftershock effect of the things happened in israel things that happened in israel on october i mean, has on october 7th. i mean, this has really the entire really changed the entire conversation about migration from to poland.

all of this so we can go now to vienna and speak to assistant professor of political science, ralph schollhammerprise, isn't it? did of a surprise, isn't it? how did the about this ? the austrians feel about this? >> oh, well, i mean, the austrians, of course, emotionally share much emotionally share very much the position of british people. position of the british people. but we have to be very but i think we have to be very clear and you already mentioned this, these declarations this, these are all declarations of like we have to see of intent. like we have to see any action in most any action in and most continental europe parties and governments are currently in panic mode. it has become clear that the migration policies of the past have failed. so what they're trying to is to they're trying to do is now to show kind sign of action show any kind and sign of action to upcoming elections. but a to win upcoming elections. but a lot of this i have to say, i think, is more show than substance. and i want to see something actually happening before i take it seriously. okay >> i mean, austria has