in for defense of democracies in london we go to the below ramdani she is a journalist an academic who specializes in the middle east and north africa and in dubai we cross to topeka he's a visiting fellow at the dubai school of government and another member of our crosstalk team you know on the hunger all right folks this is cross talk that means you can jump in anytime you want in the bill or you but on the program before i'm sure all of us have been watching very closely the pictures coming out of cairo is that democracy or is i just discussed with a. dictator that overstayed his is stay. in egypt as a client of the united states i mean we like to talk about democracy but this right now this is just a lot of people are very angry having said that watching them it is almost like a solo celebration going on there are very you know violence has been reported and they were expecting one million people to show up two million showed up and events are still playing out so how would you describe what's going on there i think it's quite extraordinary to see so many people determined to try a