we'll get to margaret carlson and ramesh ponnuru in a minute.l mattingly, the justice department was busy because they went after the chinese for espionage. doesn't everybody do espionage? >> the u.s. said they do not do it for economic but intelligence. edward snowden has impacted. the chinese have hit back. >> the indictment was filed today. it is a pretty questionable as an escalation of the cyber war. five members of the people's army of china were indicted by the justice department. nobody saw it coming. diplomacy has fallen apart. do we look for more action? >> we do. i talked to the top officer and he said the investigations have been going on, picking up steam. he would not identify anybody. officials i spoke with said more on the chinese side and russia. >> a criminal action against -- is that an important distinction? >> from the justice department's perspective and especially eric holder who has been criticized that he will not take action, this is a new path forward. did this quiet the critics? >> no, it did not. they were told that

ramesh ponnuru from aei and "national review" magazine. reihan salam from the yg network. and peter winner from the ethics and policy center. i will turn it over to kate o'beirne. [applause] >> this panel is going to be talking specifically about the policy proposals in room to grow, the agenda that is being unveiled today. we have both contributors to the project and observers whose reactions we would like to hear. i will very briefly introduce this panel because so many of them are well-known to you but to the uninitiated. ramesh ponnuru, senior writer at "national review," a fellow here at aei, a visiting fellow and a columnist for bloomburg view. ross douthat is with "the new york times." yuval levin is editor of national after varies, our co-host for this morning's program and hertz something fellow at ethics and public policy center. ray hand is a lam, a awful -- reihan salam. he has been advising yg network. pete winner. --wehnerer. ethics and public policy center. i would ask our panelists and get responses and questions from the audience. let me begin with peter w

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ramesh ponnuru from right here. and teeth from ethics and public policy center. i will turn it over to kate o'beirne. [applause] [inaudible] -- is going to be talking specifically about the policy proposal in trenton, the agenda being unveiled today. with both contributors to the project and observers whose reactions we would like to hear. i was very briefly introduce this panel because so many of them are well known to you. ramesh ponnuru is a senior editor at "national review," a fellow here at the aei, a visiting fellow, and a columnist for bloomberg. you fall within -- yuval levin, our coast for this morning's program, and a herzog fellow at the public policy center. a columnist, a contributor at cnn, and he has been advising yg network. and peter is also a fellow and a veteran of the past three republican administrations. i thought i would ask shortly the question of each one of our panelists, and get the quick responses and then leave time for questions from the audience. let me begin with pete. pete, who are the middle-class and white an agenda focused on

host: we want to welcome back to the table ramesh ponnuru. let me show you the headline from the wall street journal on may 21. gop primaries taming the tea party. is that what happened? entireit does show the -- the entire primary season shows republicans are not in the middle of a civil war. the party has long-running and manageable actions. .e partiers are disorganized it is a tendency rather than a kind of organized faction area when folks affiliated with that faction are running credible candidates and smart campaigns to win as they did in nebraska, and when they are not, they do not win. what about the ones here who represent the tea party i'll be out -- ideology on capitol hill and the influence they have over the public policy debate? this --noticed that precisely because it is a disorganized movement, jessica ackley who belongs and who does not shifts over time. a lot of the folks elected in 2010, some people say they are not he partiers anymore and they have abandoned the movement. other people say, they just never signed up for a p

host: we want to welcome back to the table ramesh ponnuru. me show you the headline from the wall street journal on may 21. gop primaries taming the tea party. is that what happened? entireit does show the -- the entire primary season shows republicans are not in the middle of a civil war. the party has long-running and manageable actions. .e partiers are disorganized it is a tendency rather than a kind of organized faction area when folks affiliated with that faction are running credible candidates and smart campaigns to win as they did in nebraska, and when they are not, they do not win. what about the ones here who represent the tea party i'll be out -- ideology on capitol hill and the influence they have over the public policy debate? this --noticed that precisely because it is a disorganized movement, jessica ackley who belongs and who does not shifts over time. a lot of the folks elected in 2010, some people say they are not he partiers anymore and they have abandoned the movement. other people say, they just never signed up for a parti