and ramesh ponnuru is the senior editor at the national review. gentlemen, thank you both for being here. jared, let's start with you. why do you think we're here again? >> well, last time we were here it was because a group of conservative republicans did not want to fund the affordable care act or obamacare and along with the help from ted cruz in the senate and members of the house closed the government for over 2 1/2 weeks as we just heard. this time a similar group wants to defund planned parenthood. now, leadership on both the democrat and the republican side don't want that to happen, and so the negotiations that we're currently jou lly undergoing ar to figure out how the leadership can work with this rump group of hard right conservatives that want to defund planned parenthood, keep them satisfied, ant not close the government. that's the play. >> ramesh, it's a highly charged emotional issue. you're looking at planned parenthood and people have staunch views on eitherdebate.

that's the play right now. >> ramesh, this time around, it is a highly charged emotional issue. you're looking at planned parenthood and people have very staunch views on either side of this debate. i just wonder with that emotional component, if that means that you think it will be tougher this time around. >> well, you know, a lot of republicans are really up in arms after a series of videos appear to expose really unethical behavior on the part of planned parenthood and it's just raised the tension on the right of the idea that planned parenthood as the largest abortion provider in the country also relies for most of it funding more than any other source on the federal government. now, a lot of pro-life republicans don't want to have a shutdown because they don't think that they're ultimately going to succeed by having a shutdown and cutting off funding for planned parenthood. but there are other folks who just want to have this fight. >> jared, what do you think? with the news that john boehner, the speaker of the house, will step down at the end of october, does that make i

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let's talk about this with jim ailsimmons and ramesh. jamal, let me start with you. hillary clinton gave an bur view earlier today, asked if her practices about e-mail have damaged her campaign. she said, quote, not at all. it's a distraction certainly. asked monday by the a.p. why she won't directly she won't apologize, she said i take the responsibilities of handling classified materials very seriously. so jamal, she thinking this controversy isn't damaging her campaign? really? >> i'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, based on what it is that we know from all the polls. if i were her to play strategist. >> yes, please. >> i would say, it was legal, but it wasn't the right thing we do, and move on. but by starting out with the legalities that other people did it it sounds too defensive. you have to give people permission to move on by acknowledges she made a mistake. >> how much of an issue do you think it is? it is a little legalistic. how much do you think this is actually a silver bullet? >> i do think it is damaging, because it makes her look untrust

. >> reporter: ramesh kolluru is vice president for research at the university of louisiana at lafayettefor us, this is a great way of saying 'thank you' to chimpanzees for all that they have done to help improve human health. >> reporter: if it all ends on the 14th, what happens to the research? is it all for naught? >> for now, for now we can't do what we like to do. we can't do any follow-up studies until it's approved so hopefully that will change. >> reporter: dr. schnell hopes he can gather enough data and make his vaccine stable without refrigeration in time for peter walsh to begin distributing oral vaccines among a half-dozen gorilla groups at two sites in africa in early 2016. they're trying a new technique to test for the ebola antibodies in the chimpanzees' feces, essential to judge the success of vaccinations in the bush. if all goes well, walsh will keep pushing for mass vaccinations of wild apes. but is that level of human intervention appropriate? >> the problem is we're intervening in so many other ways there in a bad way that, really, it's a moral imperative that we act