ramesh, let's start with you. democrats' best interest to suggest there's this great progressive transformation going on. but you're not buying into it. why? >> ramesh -- >> and he froze! >> it looks annan, this is going to be a debate that you're going to enjoy. we're going to let you talk about why you think -- >> i like my chances suddenly. >> they just went up at least 5%. why don't you tell us what i think most people are saying right now, at least in democratic circles, that this is a big progressive push and joe biden is exceeding expectations on that front. and we'll try to get ramesh back. go ahead, anand. >> i don't think joe biden is a matter of persona a transformational figure. i think the country has been transformed we reality. i think the facts of america have changed the american consensus. and joe biden's role in this is one i really admire. it's the role of someone who is persuadable by a changing reality, which not a lot of us are. a lot of us are too proud to change, to recognize that the conv