. >> time to talk about it with doug jones, alice stewart, who worked for ted cruz, and ramesh ponnurum the national review. let me start with you, ramesh, because you said before you don't think that he likely should have engaged in this way, president biden, because, frankly, it might be a benefit to donald trump. trump has actually raised millions, millions off of the fbi search, and the contributions actually topped $1 million in the days after the search. a comparison point, they were up from $200,000 a day to $300,000 a day, and his political committee has raised over $100 million broadly since he left office. so that part of the reason why you would have thought, biden, shh, this is not for you? >> well, i think the more important thing is to restore the norm, which was part of the problem of the trump administration that had eroded that we don't get the presidents involved in this day-to-day investigations, the things that -- the investigations that are pending. but there's no question this has strengthened trump's hand within the republican party ever since the raid happened o

a asma haleed, jonathan martin, the co-author of "this will not pass," ramesh ponnuru, and robert costation and campaign correspondent. great to have you all here. i'll start with you, ramesh. what did you take away from this polling that we -- that anthony just talked about? >> a lot of interesting findings in the poll. the thing that stuck out most to me was the asymmetry in enthusiasm that republicans are more excited, opponents of this administration are more enthusiastic about showing up to vote, that's a pattern we usually see in midterms, it is the reason why i think we had so few periods of unified government in the last 50 years that the public turns against whoever is in power in the white house. >> you cover the white house, joe biden talked about getting out into the country, but ramesh is talking about a country that may not want to see him. what is the thinking, get him out there because to build enthusiasm or keep him at home because that won't work? >> well, i do think the plan is to get him out there once this covid sweep clears. but i think the thinking is, we look at

ramesh ponnuru. and atlanta staff writer, mark leibovich. susan, there's a lot of ways you can say that liz cheney has no path to a republican nomination, the idea of a presidential campaign. democrats will be reminded of why they don't like her, but take a step back. she's the face right now of opposition to donald trump in this country, what can she do with this new political organization? >> in the short term she told you, she would campaign against election deniers. she'll be campaigning for some democrats, who are running against election deniers. she has the stature and the ability to raise money. over the long term, who knows. politics is not a straight line, liz cheney is 56 years old, she can run for president in 2024 or 2028 or 2032. sometimes there are political figures who seem to be making symbolic stances and you look back with the benefit of some hindsight, you see the influence they had on the party and the country. i'm thinking of bernie sanders who not everyone took very seriously at the beginning and had a great effect on