wouldn't it be great if ramey joined pershing square, worked for ackerman.ease was good because scott has a relationship with ackman. if scott knows, maybe it's icahn, maybe it's ackman. >> scott has relationships with everybody. >> i know, but given his relationship -- maybe tim ramey is going to work for carl icahn. i'm trying to think who scott would know that would know that. >> i'm just sitting here -- >> whatever it is, it's a damn good tease. it is a good tease. now i'm interested. >> it's a very good reason to stay tuned to cnbc because all will be revealed recently. >> scott should hold that for his show tomorrow. >> that's what he's doing. >> he's not doing ge"the closin bell"? >> scott wapner is not just a fraet face. we're fountain dar days away fr crowning a winner of the stock draft. you are not even close to having a good team like scott wapner. what about keeping your mouth should so people tune in on friday. >> tune in to find out who wins by a ton. i will say this. it's been a good stocks draft. i'm still bitter my personal pick of best buy

do you agree with tim ramey at d.a. davidson, would you buy herbalife shares here? interesting, even though it's up 140% in the past year, it's still not that expensive at only about 16 times earnings, about a 7% cash return. it's a very profitable asset like business model, very cash generativ generative. big ackman's not going away. if you're long the stock, you're caught between two guys with big bank accounts and even bigger egos. i'm not sure how that mays out. i'll watch from the sidelines. >> pat, great ending there. so he would watch from the sidelines because i just quickly before we get to katie, that's my problem with herbalife. it could be the greatest company in the world, but i've also got pretty smart investors over here like ackman and others saying the stock is essentially worthless or at least a short. there's such a divergence of opinion on this. it sounds like it's not worth it at all to mess with. >> yeah, it's basically a binary call. almost like a biotech where it gets approved or not approved. if ackman is right, it's a zero. if icahn is righ

i read you a letter ramey sent out saying he was going to do some strategic m&a type stuff. the word on the street is eventually steerich will do an lbo or a giant buyback. the fact ramey is going to work with him makes this story more juicy than it has been. >> does it demonstrate the conviction both of these parties have in the herbalife story? >> i think there's no doubt about that. i think one of the reasons why the stock had moved up the way it had was in anticipation of what all of this could mean. you have the biggest bull on the street and you've got one of the biggest bulls with deep pockets behind herbalife. who knows what happens now. >> shares are up 8% at this hour. as we get more news obviously we'll talk to scott wapner about it. want to get back to the markets more broadly here which are cast being a little bit for direction. anthony, what is the next move do you think? >> i think the markets have to stabilize here. the big concern is emerging markets. we heard some encouraging news from china. we heard some encouraging news from caterpillar. so as we continu

issue of a human how rami one of the high ranking members of the kurdistan democratic party mr howard ramey let's turn our attention to syria now where i visited some kurdish communities in syria last year. and there was a lot of excitement there because for the first time in many days those people could. speak their language freely they could all plan kurdish schools they were in charge of their many civil affairs they had their own security and it seemed that you know for the first time they really had this independence and south rule that they coveted for so many years and yet one of their recent news that some of the political factions in syria declared autonomy when they declared that autonomy in their region of the how to if your own party and just on region president mustard barzani was very very critical of that if kurds in iraq would have a day autonomy or south role why not the kurds in syria present us with barzani on the kurdistan region has helped the kurds in syria because we do believe that the this is an important issue for us the question is not that we are not supporting t

we actually broke the story about ramey going to stair rid's firm. -- stiritz's firm.e the story is. the guy that worked on the short, analyst worked on the short with bill ackman at pershing square is shane dinneen. a lot of talk that is leaving pershing square. when you go to the pr people of pershing square they won't neither confirm or deny whether he works there anymore. we reached out to a secretary at pershing square, would try to get us on mr. dinneen's calendar so he can talk to us to confirm whether he still works there anymore. that is how insane this whole thing is. adam: maybe on calendar at new firm. >> i don't know. this is, it is like another world. it is almost a soap opera, herbalife. lori: so did the aarp card arrive yet? >> oh. lori: how is the day going, birthday boy? >> i want you to know that i ran this morning in 13-degree weather. adam: running from the bedroom to the refrigerator doesn't count. >> did 32 pull-ups outside. lori: still got it. adam: an you brave the subway at 6:30 in the morning? that is test. >> i've done it before. adam: givin

ramey was a bull on the stock. stiritz is going out saying he would like to buy the company. these things came together. for a company that sells protein shakes lots of stuff happens with herbalife. adam: on that we'll say thank you, to this young analyst there is life after harvard. perhaps you should have gone to yale. >> you're talking your book. adam: i'm syracuse. >> i'm missouri. just so you know. lori: just about 15 minutes here. we are counting down to the fed decision at 2:00 p.m. eastern. markets are way off ahead of that. adam: first perspective from the trading floors ahead of the announcement and chairman ben bernanke's news conference. ? yes sir. alright. let's share the news tomorrow. today we failrly busy. tomorrow we're booked solid. we close on the house tomorrow. i want one of these opened up. because tomorow go live... it's a day full of promise. and often, that day arrives by train. big day today? even bigger one tomorrow. when csx trains move forward, so does the rest of the economy. csx. how tomorrow moves. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ tires screech ] chewley's finds itself

or under california law section 817 of the penal code they could get what's called a ramey warrant, an arrest warrant precharging. >> there could be alternatives but having alternatives does not make necessarily a third alternative unreasonable or unconstitutional. so the question i'm asking is a yes or no one, and if you have this rape situation that i laid out, does this mean that the officers are precluded from using that d.n.a. sample for further investigation? >> they are precluded from using this law to test that sample. they are not precluded from using any of the other alternatives they have which are less intrusive. in a general sense. >> what's the difference between this law and the others? less -- again,'s what's your response to what seems a logical question and theres, simply because might be other alternatives doesn't make this one necessarily unconstitutional. why couldn't they use the d.n.a. under this law? >> it's not reasonable and the availability of less intrusive alternatives. dispositive, it is a relevant factor. this court has said so repeatedly. >> let's say we