we bring in tim ramy. senior research analyst who has a buy on herbalife and goes to the phone. our very own herb greenburg who owned this story on herbalife from the start, by the way. tim, let me get to you. you've got a buy. are you not concerned at all by the accusations? >> well, where do i go to get those three and a half hours of my life back? no, one central thesis of it basically says herbalife is a pyramid scheme and get there by overrides in a way that doesn't -- it is not true. royalties and everrides are generated as a percentage of commissions of real sales. >> what is missing? no doubt ackman is a smart guy. what are they missing? >> well, i don't think they are missing really anything. >> what are they misunderstanding then? >> hang on. this time, this time you're not going to talk over me, okay? >> i'm brian. herb will talk over you later, probably. >> okay. sorry. >> no worries. >> the thing that we have been waiting for is something of substance. you know, now we've got it. now the answers can come and i think that's going to be healthy. that's great. mr. ackm