. >> when we were writing our story, ramin brought up that story and we rewatched it and said the sameng to each other. we couldn't believe what we were hearing from him and then, of course, the sexual harassment scandal has been unfolding with many men in hollywood in the industry, we've been watching the "today" show as we've been doing our reporting and talking to each other and saying, how can he sit there and talk about this knowing what he's done? >> it seems like in your article that, you know, matt lauer is married and she filed for divorce at one point in 2006 and then decided not to go ahead with that but they've been living separate lives. what kind of an atmosphere was he creating on the staff? >> it was a very difficult atmosphere for the women. they were torn. they were worried if they didn't pay attention back, they would be sidelined. stories of women who disappear from the staff or leave under mysterious circumstances so there was a lot of fear because they were not sure how to react if he pursued them. >> i want to point out, one difference with matt is if you look at