attorney general ramsey clark. well from a war that's making headlines to one that reaches largely undetected by the american people despite of course the flow of millions of us dollars for that conflict of course i'm talking about some alia a failed state by most accounts ravaged by two decades of civil war and home to the al-shabaab one of the most fearsome insurgent groups affiliated with the al qaeda terror network and somalia is ground zero for a new kind of war and outsourced proxy war fought for u.s. interests but mostly without the help of u.s. troops it's a smaller cheaper alternative to large scale american intervention such a scene in iraq and afghanistan a military correspondent and blogger david abscessed traveled to that country and spent years writing about the secret u.s. campaign there now earlier he joins us from shanghai china to break down how that conflict that's playing out port for the somalis are doing the actual fighting and dying is nothing subtle we're gentle about it but my my point is t

attorney general ramsey clark who joins us live now from new york mr clark thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us i really do appreciate it. more of course is never meant to be a pretty thing it's a serious business and you know when accidents happened well the consequences are really serious too shouldn't these civilian casualties be seen in the broader context of a mission to supposedly help the people of libya against a terrible regime i think the civilian casualties in fact all of it please you to be seen in the context of a war of aggression which nurnberg charter and in your bird judgment defined as the supreme international crime. new united states initially or and perhaps still now to some degree or nato has a right to attack of. libya hundred international it's not the first time i want to be in one nine hundred eighty six after president reagan because the attack on tripoli and benghazi killing hundreds of civilians there at that time and first the first target was the compound were current but i feel of it that they hit the office wearing the same one you see in