with us ramsey k assem who represents detainees, and joining the discussion is a lawyer who respected many pakistani detainees. we her about guantanamo, but not bagram. >> we call them twins. the reason why you had guantanamo, fundamentally, change in terms of the rights that they're detainees, if it received all this attention in the world and the ma. bagram has been able to absolutely escape that. that's why you look at bagram detainees not afforded the basic of rights such as access to attorneys, something that guantanamo detainees have. we want to draw attention to the fact that bagram is there, and it's going to be there unless something is done to shut it down. >> ramsey kassem, you have a client in bagram, what has his experience been like and what do you plan too requested. >> the prisoners of bagram do not have access to counsel. i was there last year demanding to see my client and my client was demanding to me, but they were saying that they have no righ righright to counsel. we were about to go back to the court of appeals to ask for a simple thing, the right for a day in c