just to name one, ramzi bin al—shibh, you had connections, direct connections, to him in germany. real. how do you explain them? as to ramzi al—shibh, i don't know him. i saw him once, he came once to my house to visit a friend. those are all the connections. there is no connections whatsoever with any type of organised crimes because i don't want to use terrorism because i don't believe in these word because it's used to oppress politically descend in my part of the world, and it's abuse to collectively punish innocent people. if you say a murderer, everybody would understand and there are evidence, but if you say a terrorist, you can do everything you want with a person with no accountability whatsoever. mohamedou, you were known as prisoner 760... yes! ..at guantanamo. you were subject to enhanced interrogation techniques which were signed off by the defence secretary donald rumsfeld himself. you've already used the word torture to me, what were the most difficult experiences you went through? so, one day, i remember it's around noon, but i don't think it's at noon. these middl

you've got ramzi bin al—shibh, who is thought to have run the hamburg cell of the operation, then twohi and mustafa al—hawsawi, who are thought to have provided financial and logistical support to the attackers. so all those stories of loss we've been hearing all day, well, these are five of the men who it's alleged played a big role in a lot of that loss. and they are here and itjust so happens that over the last few days they have made their first appearances in a courtroom for more than 18 months — the legal proceedings were stalled because of the coronavirus pandemic. but alongside us in the gallery were family members of victims of 9/11 who were observing events — including one. i spoke to, dr elizabeth berry, who talked in a memorial event earlier this day about her brother, billy, who had been a firefighter who died when the north tower collapsed. and she said there was nowhere she'd rather be for this 20th anniversary than guantanamo bay, watching the legal proceedings and seeing the search forjustice. it doesn't get any better than being in guantanamo bay on the 20th annivers

to do with islam, but having spent years with men like khalid sheikh mohammed and abu zubaydah and ramzishibh and al—nashiri, i can tell you in their minds, it has everything to do with islam. everything to do with... their interpretation? their interpretation — their salafist islamist interpretation of islam. james mitchell, welcome to hardtalk. thanks for having me on. so, there you were, after more than 20 years in the us air force. you'd retired, you were working as a consultant for the cia, the september 11th attacks happened, you say to the cia, "i want to be part of the solution." why? it was an attack on our homeland. the main thing that influenced me to want to volunteer to help out was the death and destruction. the critical thing, when they asked me if i would be willing to become involved in the interrogation programme, really was the falling man and the people jumping off the building. i thought it was inappropriate and wrong for them to have to choose which way they died as a result of this cowardly attack that was done by these islamists who were trying to destroy our way

you've got ramzi bin al—shibh, who is thought to have run the hamburg cell of the operation, then twod logistical support to the attackers. so all those stories of loss we've been hearing all day, well, these are five of the men who it's alleged played a big role in a lot of that loss. and they are here and itjust so happens that over the last few days they have made their first appearances in a courtroom for more than 18 months — the legal proceedings were stalled because of the coronavirus pandemic. but alongside us in the gallery were family members of victims of 9/11 who were observing events — including one i spoke to, dr elizabeth berry, who talked in a memorial event earlier this day about her brother, billy, who had been a firefighter who died when the north tower collapsed. and she said there was nowhere she'd rather be for this 20th anniversary than guantanamo bay, watching the legal proceedings and seeing the search forjustice. it doesn't get any better than being in guantanamo bay on the 20th anniversary, being part of the first group of people back into the courtroom to s

the shooter is connected to a terror cell in brooklyn whose members then go on to help ramzi yousef bottomn hijack planes, fly them into buildings, something that was almost unimaginable. he gets caught, but that plan it passed on to his uncle, khalid sheikh mohammed, who eventually hooks up with osama bin laden. and there were turning points, missed opportunities, occasions that could have led to a different outcome. we dig into those, as you heard. >> there are points that you point out, right, how the united states in a way helped build up these organizations. for instance, mujahedeen, helped supporting them fighting against the russians. you talk about how the cia helped recruit islamist fighter to afghanistan throughout the world to fight against russians, because they had a mutual interesting, to years later, deem them a terrorist organization, the very people they supported and trained at one point. >> great point. the cia itself coined the term blowback. that's what you just described. the music behind this whole store is really the afghan war in the '80s, when afghan rebels aided

ramzi bin al shibh showing up in sun glass later praying in court. ramsey yemeni national accused organizing the hamberg sell actually as the go between hijackers and suspected 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed. ramsey tried and failed to get into the u.s. before the 9/11 attacks. some consider him the 20th hijacker unable to board his flight. later captured in a raid in pakistan in 2002 at the beginning of four year stay at cia black sites. pre-trial hearption stretching near a decade. a date no cases have been to trial. judge matthew mccaul an air force colonel a seventh judge to handle the case. vigorously questioned by the defense because of his experience. only two years and one day on the bench. mccaul admitted his experience with islam and capital punishment in this death penalty case is very limited. the lawyer for khalid sheikh mohammed's nephew asked why these hearings are dragging on so long. >> having this case at gahanna ton mow means a whole lot of issues that would not be in play if it were taking place anywhere else. >> the other

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