. >> ramzi yousef. what's his role in all of this? >> ramzi yousef is not involved in the kahane murder but he built the bomb. he's the cousin and that's one of the critical friendships or relationships that defines k.s.m.'s life, his cousin, three years younger, grew up as best friends but with an unequal relationship. ksm was the master. >> where is ramzi yousef today? >> he's in jail in colorado. >> go back to the north carolina experience for k.s.m. what happened to him in his time down there and how many years it was total? >> i believe it's a total of 3 1/2, almost four years. >> you talk about their hatred for israel but how much of this is hatred for the united states or hatred for israel or hatred because the united states supports israel? >> a lot of it, more than i expected, is because the united states supports israel. in the 1980's in north carolina it would not be hard for k.s.m. to meet ordinary americans who admired israel as the only middle eastern democracy, as a place that many churches take people for historical an