that was doctor scott savitz, senior engineer at the rand corporation. stay with us on bbc news.w pressure sticking close by. we'll see showers or longer spells of rain, some sunshine, too — it's not going to be a complete wash—out — but winds will be quite blustery, particularly close to the coast, all thanks to this pretty vigorous area of low pressure which has been with us for a while now, anchored to the west of ireland, bringing all these showers, even longer spells of rain and stronger winds with little areas of low pressure running around it, one such system moving across the country during saturday night. saturday itself starts off with a fine note through the midlands. a bit of some low cloud, some sunshine but showers from the word go across the south and the west. they'll spread their way northwards and we'll continue to see some more persistent rain affecting eastern scotland with stronger winds here. but some brightness, i think, for western scotland with some shelter from the easterly breeze. temperatures 10—16 degrees. now, later in the day, we'll start to see one

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security coordinator from israel and the palestinian authority who is now with the rand corporation,erican nonprofit organization. thank you for coming on the program. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> can i get your reaction first of all to the diplomacy and the words we heard from around that table this afternoon? >> i think there are two realities. certainly the reality that from october 7 and what the families of the victims of that horrific terrorist attack and the subsequent kidnapping of 200 israelis that are still being held by hamas, but there is also the reality of the palestinian people. i think it is accurate and important to highlight what is happening inside of gaza, specifically with the impact of the ongoing campaign for preparation for the ground offensive. and as important but not spoken a lot about are the ongoing confrontations that are occurring between the israeli security forces in the west bank, the settlers provocations in the west bank, and the violence that has ensued certainly well before october 7, but in earnest now since the october 7 terrorist atta

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let's bring in a senior political scientist at the rand corporation, joining us from washington, dc.much forjoining us. firstly, ifi thank you so much forjoining us. firstly, if i may ask, how do you assess israel's military operations so far? we can see the movement in the north, but it's not clear what exactly is happening. it's not clear what exactly is happening-— it's not clear what exactly is haueninu. , . happening. first, thank you so much for having _ happening. first, thank you so much for having me. _ happening. first, thank you so much for having me. i - happening. first, thank you so much for having me. i think i much for having me. i think over the last couple of weeks, we have seen a couple of things play out. first a very intense aerial campaign lasting three weeks, the aim was to largely degrade hamas's military capabilities and pave the way for the ground incursion which will be the decisive phase of the operation. over the last few days you are beginning to see israeli troop movements trying to isolate the northern part of the gaza strip, particularly gaza city. th

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security coordinator for israel and the palestinian authority who is currently an adjunct at the rand corporation all of what we have seen over the last 24 hours. thank you. it's good to be with you. clearly, the horrible loss of life that occurred at the blast in the hospital in northern gaza has captured the ongoing crisis. the analysis that has been going on, first with the loss of innocent palestinian lives, the victims of this blast and in terms of who was responsible for the blast has been consuming, obviously, the ongoing conflict over the last 24 are worse. it has. and it is absolutely crucial what happens in the coming days because you have heard the claim and the counterclaim, there are two very distinctive narratives and a very, very dangerous situation. yes. first startini very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with _ very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the _ very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the israelis, _ very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the israelis, as - very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the israelis, as so